Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 14:11     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.



I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.


Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.


Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.


This. It goes back to there are no pools willing to host. It is so much to ask of a pool with the size of the league.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:50     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.



I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.


Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.


Yet Pinecrest, along with several other pools in the league, have meets all the time. And every, single time the swimmers seem to manage. Some even swim best times. Even so, there is a very simple solution to this: if you don’t like the depth of the host pool, host it yourself. The only reason Pinecrest is hosting is because none of your pools stepped up.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:41     Subject: ASR at Rutherford


Why not hold these meets at the St. James? In all seriousness. It is competition pool, touch pads could be used. The teams could be set up outside. They could stagger the groups to account for space. For ASR they could stagger the groups to decrease the numbers with breaks.

Charge a per swimmer fee to cover the cost. I don't know the cost of renting the St. James for a day.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:26     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Does NVSL have any rules on minimum depth for starts? We were at one pool that was 3 feet and it was a disaster.


We were at a pool where the turn end was insanely shallow and 6'2" kids were DQing for pushing of the bottom which was unavoidable.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:23     Subject: ASR at Rutherford

Does NVSL have any rules on minimum depth for starts? We were at one pool that was 3 feet and it was a disaster.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:21     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.



I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.


Frankly I am shocked Pinecrest allowed to host any NVSL meets, never mind AS. Seems like a big liability issue.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:20     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.



I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.


What???

How can a kid dive at 2.5 feet? That would KILL breaststroke times.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:15     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.



I heard that at AS pool familiarization they will allow kids in the water because of this shallow end.

I can't believe there are meets in a pool that is this shallow. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:10     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Anonymous wrote:It continued to thunder and lightning when the rain stopped until at least 10 pm in the Rutherford / Fairfax area. Meet could not have been resumed.

Rutherford did an amazing job hosting and their volunteers were awesome!! Thank you!


That's not true. The radar showed it was one cell of weather that would come through, which is what occurred, and it was sunny skies and rainbows by 8:00 in that area. Other pools nearby to Rutherford reopened to patrons between 8:00-8:15. Team Reps were on pool grounds cleaning up team areas with no thunder or lightning by 8:00. The NVSL called it way too early - the meet should have resumed.


I think the issue is that there are no lights at Rutherford. So by the time they got things up and running again it would have been too dark to continue the meet.



NVSL does not have the luxury. They are desperate to have pools host them. No one wants to do it.
That may be, but this post commented that it was due to continued thunder and lightning, which is not true.

I've also heard the lights may have been the problem, which is even more disappointing. How can the NVSL host ASR at a pool that can't host if it gets too dark? If that's the case, they basically made the decision before the meet started that any weather delay would end the meet since it wasn't scheduled to end until 8:00. Doesn't give much room for a delay.

It seems logical that there should be 3 requirements for a pool to be accepted to be the host of ASR. 1) Enough nearby space for Team Areas and Spectators; 2) Enough nearby parking; 3) A fully functional pool that doesn't turn have to shut down at 8:30pm.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:09     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Things that could help improve for next year:

1. Better sound system to the field since there is zero cell reception anywhere near the pool.

2. Teams could bring walkie talkie to help.

3. Lights so if there is a delay the meet can resume.

4. At familiarization - warn about lack of cell signal and the outside lane issue. That way the kids can practice in anticipation of the lanes.

5. Make clerk of course larger - more benches to line the kids up. Have a cut off as to when kids can run up on deck. There was a lot of chaos of teams showing way last minute. Hamlet's queue worked well last year - I would do in the grass not the black top.

6. Have the clerk of course enter from the grass side entrance - keep the kids cooler and allow them to queue better. Black top was bad.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:04     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It continued to thunder and lightning when the rain stopped until at least 10 pm in the Rutherford / Fairfax area. Meet could not have been resumed.

Rutherford did an amazing job hosting and their volunteers were awesome!! Thank you!


That's not true. The radar showed it was one cell of weather that would come through, which is what occurred, and it was sunny skies and rainbows by 8:00 in that area. Other pools nearby to Rutherford reopened to patrons between 8:00-8:15. Team Reps were on pool grounds cleaning up team areas with no thunder or lightning by 8:00. The NVSL called it way too early - the meet should have resumed.


I think the issue is that there are no lights at Rutherford. So by the time they got things up and running again it would have been too dark to continue the meet.



That may be, but this post commented that it was due to continued thunder and lightning, which is not true.

I've also heard the lights may have been the problem, which is even more disappointing. How can the NVSL host ASR at a pool that can't host if it gets too dark? If that's the case, they basically made the decision before the meet started that any weather delay would end the meet since it wasn't scheduled to end until 8:00. Doesn't give much room for a delay.

It seems logical that there should be 3 requirements for a pool to be accepted to be the host of ASR. 1) Enough nearby space for Team Areas and Spectators; 2) Enough nearby parking; 3) A fully functional pool that doesn't turn have to shut down at 8:30pm.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:02     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
The lack of lights was the real reason the meet could not resume. Any delay was going to terminate that meet at that location.

SOP should have NVSL bring in lights to help the pools in case of delay. Holding a meet on a Wednesday evening means you should have lights to see.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 13:01     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Mentioned on the other thread, but the crazy boundaries for lanes 1 and 6 still blow my mind for an all star event. Rutherford were gracious hosts and I appreciate them stepping up.

Heads up for AS - Pinecrest depths where the timers/starts occur is only 2.5 ft.

Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 12:54     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It continued to thunder and lightning when the rain stopped until at least 10 pm in the Rutherford / Fairfax area. Meet could not have been resumed.

Rutherford did an amazing job hosting and their volunteers were awesome!! Thank you!


That's not true. The radar showed it was one cell of weather that would come through, which is what occurred, and it was sunny skies and rainbows by 8:00 in that area. Other pools nearby to Rutherford reopened to patrons between 8:00-8:15. Team Reps were on pool grounds cleaning up team areas with no thunder or lightning by 8:00. The NVSL called it way too early - the meet should have resumed.


I think the issue is that there are no lights at Rutherford. So by the time they got things up and running again it would have been too dark to continue the meet.

Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 12:49     Subject: ASR at Rutherford
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Anonymous wrote:Looking at Google maps, Tuckahoe, Overlee and Chesterbrook all have parking lots larger than orange Hunt that could be used for team areas. They also all have plenty of side streets which are what is generally used for parking? Looks to me like those red x’s are green check’s.


Orange Hunt has a lot of adjacent green space. You all are so desperate to punish these D1 teams that you want your kids to stand on asphalt and park god knows how far away and then walk through busy streets through traffic to get to the pool. Come up with better incentives and appropriate support for host pools that have the right setup and put measures in place to curb the bad behavior of some of the D1 spectator parents. The answer is not to cram the meets into their pools and make everything unpleasant and unsafe.


This is BS. I grew up not far from Overlee and swam there as a kid. Traffic is no worse and population no denser than Rutherford and Orange Hunt. And for all those complaining about the parking lot option - it was the set up at Orange Hunt - and yes it was BOILING. No pool is perfect but they make it work.


Traffic is no different at a pool that is on a major 4-lane road inside the beltway that serves as one of the main non-toll road options in and out of DC and is a major commuter route? Absurd statement.

Also, things have changed a lot in this whole area in terms of density and traffic patterns since we were all kids. So you growing up near Overlee isn't all that relevant.


My parents still live there and I’m in the area frequently. Do I get to be relevant now?
Accidents happen, traffic sucks, there are a million reason hamlet, orange hunt, Rutherford and pinecrest could have come up with to not host. Kudos to them all for stepping up.


Sure you are relevant but also your statements are even stranger if you are regularly around these areas and you're claiming Arlington is the same population density and traffic patterns as these other communities.