Anonymous wrote:Nope it’s not his athleticism it’s his brain. Lots of short quick, shifty lefties out there they aren’t Messi because of his brain not athleticism

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us on these boards have sons who are this kid’s age. It is so fun watching him play. Wish the US produced these types of players who seem to be “playing” and surprising you much like they did when they were younger children. Where in our system do we drill out the sense of play and wonder?

At u9-u17. Yamal would not be play in the US. The coaches here would see him as too passive. He does not run around chasing the ball nd passes too much.

US soccer, is all about a system, they don't let players think of their own. Until that changes, no player will get to that level.

That’s because of the relative immaturity of US coaching.

If our pro leagues were better, we could pull better coaches and that would bring better coaching overall in the US down stream.

Yes, I 100% agree. There is a lot of talent but too many coaches think this is American football.

All the best coaching and player talents in this country go into American football. I can’t figure out why.

How can the best Soccer coaches and Soccer talents go to American Football?

That would make American football pretty weak, wouldn't it

Like saying the best volleyball coaches and
talents went to basketball

Imagine the Kelce brothers playing the 8 and the 10! Or Maybe Travis on the wing! Uruguay wants to play physical with them? Ha!

American Football players have American Football athleticism because it's a result of their training needed to play that sport.

Soccer players aren't doing that kind of training since childhood, so it's beyond stupid to compare the two

Athleticism isn’t sport specific.

Then use your lawn tennis athleticism to win gymnastics... since its universal and transferable

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us on these boards have sons who are this kid’s age. It is so fun watching him play. Wish the US produced these types of players who seem to be “playing” and surprising you much like they did when they were younger children. Where in our system do we drill out the sense of play and wonder?

At u9-u17. Yamal would not be play in the US. The coaches here would see him as too passive. He does not run around chasing the ball nd passes too much.

US soccer, is all about a system, they don't let players think of their own. Until that changes, no player will get to that level.

That’s because of the relative immaturity of US coaching.

If our pro leagues were better, we could pull better coaches and that would bring better coaching overall in the US down stream.

Yes, I 100% agree. There is a lot of talent but too many coaches think this is American football.

All the best coaching and player talents in this country go into American football. I can’t figure out why.

How can the best Soccer coaches and Soccer talents go to American Football?

That would make American football pretty weak, wouldn't it

Like saying the best volleyball coaches and
talents went to basketball

Imagine the Kelce brothers playing the 8 and the 10! Or Maybe Travis on the wing! Uruguay wants to play physical with them? Ha!

American Football players have American Football athleticism because it's a result of their training needed to play that sport.

Soccer players aren't doing that kind of training since childhood, so it's beyond stupid to compare the two

Athleticism isn’t sport specific.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were actually serious you would compare, middle infielders and most outfielders in baseball, guards in basketball maybe some forwards anything taller than 6'9" is just awkward in soccer, anything but lineman in football so on find those athletes and start comparing if the US would close the gap faster if all these folks chose soccer, probably but ultimately the culture is not soccer so actually playing the game would take generations of soccer only families to achieve.

If you're really serious, you'd know being a good baseball player doesn't mean you'd be a good soccer player.

au contraire baseball may be best comp becasue there are plenty of non-athletes excelling at baseball. Messi would be a non-athelete in any other sport he is a footballer throught and through and picked the best sport for his body type, which is not a superior athlete. My point is the best athletes in other sports comparision, the best athletes on a baseball field are the middle infieders and most outfielders (the non-power guys who can actually run). American football or basketball I agree are best comps because of the starting and stopping that occurs in those games, cutting, and in game transitions

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us on these boards have sons who are this kid’s age. It is so fun watching him play. Wish the US produced these types of players who seem to be “playing” and surprising you much like they did when they were younger children. Where in our system do we drill out the sense of play and wonder?

At u9-u17. Yamal would not be play in the US. The coaches here would see him as too passive. He does not run around chasing the ball nd passes too much.

US soccer, is all about a system, they don't let players think of their own. Until that changes, no player will get to that level.

That’s because of the relative immaturity of US coaching.

If our pro leagues were better, we could pull better coaches and that would bring better coaching overall in the US down stream.

Yes, I 100% agree. There is a lot of talent but too many coaches think this is American football.

All the best coaching and player talents in this country go into American football. I can’t figure out why.

How can the best Soccer coaches and Soccer talents go to American Football?

That would make American football pretty weak, wouldn't it

Like saying the best volleyball coaches and
talents went to basketball

Imagine the Kelce brothers playing the 8 and the 10! Or Maybe Travis on the wing! Uruguay wants to play physical with them? Ha!

American Football players have American Football athleticism because it's a result of their training needed to play that sport.

Soccer players aren't doing that kind of training since childhood, so it's beyond stupid to compare the two

Anonymous wrote:Messi is a soccer player maybe the semantics of the term non-athlete I'd workshop again. But Messi would not excel in any other sport period. Soccer is unique in that way which is the greater point I was trying to make, its not about being athletic.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us on these boards have sons who are this kid’s age. It is so fun watching him play. Wish the US produced these types of players who seem to be “playing” and surprising you much like they did when they were younger children. Where in our system do we drill out the sense of play and wonder?

At u9-u17. Yamal would not be play in the US. The coaches here would see him as too passive. He does not run around chasing the ball nd passes too much.

US soccer, is all about a system, they don't let players think of their own. Until that changes, no player will get to that level.

That’s because of the relative immaturity of US coaching.

If our pro leagues were better, we could pull better coaches and that would bring better coaching overall in the US down stream.

Yes, I 100% agree. There is a lot of talent but too many coaches think this is American football.

All the best coaching and player talents in this country go into American football. I can’t figure out why.

How can the best Soccer coaches and Soccer talents go to American Football?

That would make American football pretty weak, wouldn't it

Like saying the best volleyball coaches and
talents went to basketball

Imagine the Kelce brothers playing the 8 and the 10! Or Maybe Travis on the wing! Uruguay wants to play physical with them? Ha!

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Anonymous wrote:If you were actually serious you would compare, middle infielders and most outfielders in baseball, guards in basketball maybe some forwards anything taller than 6'9" is just awkward in soccer, anything but lineman in football so on find those athletes and start comparing if the US would close the gap faster if all these folks chose soccer, probably but ultimately the culture is not soccer so actually playing the game would take generations of soccer only families to achieve.

If you're really serious, you'd know being a good baseball player doesn't mean you'd be a good soccer player.

au contraire baseball may be best comp becasue there are plenty of non-athletes excelling at baseball. Messi would be a non-athelete in any other sport he is a footballer throught and through and picked the best sport for his body type, which is not a superior athlete. My point is the best athletes in other sports comparision, the best athletes on a baseball field are the middle infieders and most outfielders (the non-power guys who can actually run). American football or basketball I agree are best comps because of the starting and stopping that occurs in those games, cutting, and in game transitions

Wow. Your post has no basis in reality. Messi was an incredible athlete. His estimated 40 time would be in the 3.9-4.1 range but because of his build his acceleration in the first 5-10 yards is greater vs that number. He would dominate in every sport but basketball and he would be very good in that. His quickness, coordination, vision, speed and speed with ball are seen only once in a generation if that.
There are no non athletes in pro sports. Each pro athletes is a great athlete and there is small difference that differentiates them among other pro athletes. At that level a 2% speed difference is significant. A slow pro athlete is slow relative to their peer group of other pro athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were actually serious you would compare, middle infielders and most outfielders in baseball, guards in basketball maybe some forwards anything taller than 6'9" is just awkward in soccer, anything but lineman in football so on find those athletes and start comparing if the US would close the gap faster if all these folks chose soccer, probably but ultimately the culture is not soccer so actually playing the game would take generations of soccer only families to achieve.

If you're really serious, you'd know being a good baseball player doesn't mean you'd be a good soccer player.

au contraire baseball may be best comp becasue there are plenty of non-athletes excelling at baseball. Messi would be a non-athelete in any other sport he is a footballer throught and through and picked the best sport for his body type, which is not a superior athlete. My point is the best athletes in other sports comparision, the best athletes on a baseball field are the middle infieders and most outfielders (the non-power guys who can actually run). American football or basketball I agree are best comps because of the starting and stopping that occurs in those games, cutting, and in game transitions

Wow. Your post has no basis in reality. Messi was an incredible athlete. His estimated 40 time would be in the 3.9-4.1 range but because of his build his acceleration in the first 5-10 yards is greater vs that number. He would dominate in every sport but basketball and he would be very good in that. His quickness, coordination, vision, speed and speed with ball are seen only once in a generation if that.
There are no non athletes in pro sports. Each pro athletes is a great athlete and there is small difference that differentiates them among other pro athletes. At that level a 2% speed difference is significant. A slow pro athlete is slow relative to their peer group of other pro athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were actually serious you would compare, middle infielders and most outfielders in baseball, guards in basketball maybe some forwards anything taller than 6'9" is just awkward in soccer, anything but lineman in football so on find those athletes and start comparing if the US would close the gap faster if all these folks chose soccer, probably but ultimately the culture is not soccer so actually playing the game would take generations of soccer only families to achieve.

If you're really serious, you'd know being a good baseball player doesn't mean you'd be a good soccer player.

au contraire baseball may be best comp becasue there are plenty of non-athletes excelling at baseball. Messi would be a non-athelete in any other sport he is a footballer throught and through and picked the best sport for his body type, which is not a superior athlete. My point is the best athletes in other sports comparision, the best athletes on a baseball field are the middle infieders and most outfielders (the non-power guys who can actually run). American football or basketball I agree are best comps because of the starting and stopping that occurs in those games, cutting, and in game transitions

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Anonymous wrote:If you were actually serious you would compare, middle infielders and most outfielders in baseball, guards in basketball maybe some forwards anything taller than 6'9" is just awkward in soccer, anything but lineman in football so on find those athletes and start comparing if the US would close the gap faster if all these folks chose soccer, probably but ultimately the culture is not soccer so actually playing the game would take generations of soccer only families to achieve.

If you're really serious, you'd know being a good baseball player doesn't mean you'd be a good soccer player.

au contraire baseball may be best comp becasue there are plenty of non-athletes excelling at baseball. Messi would be a non-athelete in any other sport he is a footballer throught and through and picked the best sport for his body type, which is not a superior athlete. My point is the best athletes in other sports comparision, the best athletes on a baseball field are the middle infieders and most outfielders (the non-power guys who can actually run). American football or basketball I agree are best comps because of the starting and stopping that occurs in those games, cutting, and in game transitions