Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 14:33     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience dealing with a harsh grader teacher? any point in arguing? or at this point, go the "expunge" route?
watching my kid who gets the questions, but fails to finish them clean.

If we were to expunge the score, do we still need to finish the class?

Thanks, to the wise ones..


1. He can drop out now and expunge the grade and retake Geometry next year.

2. He can continue and pass the course and expunge the grade and still move on to Algebra 2 in 8th grade.

3. Not sure about arguing with the teacher. DS has a harsh grader in summer geomtry as well. He had a 102 in Algebra 1 but is hovering around 97-98 so far.


If your kid has a 102 in any class, the conclusion is that it’s not a real class, because 102 is not actually a real grade, just some BS modern feel-good grade inflation. Sorry.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 14:19     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
I assume you are doing yours through the county? We did a course last year, not Math, but Spanish, and it was torture. When DS wanted to get ahead in Math, we tightened our belts and went to Fusion Academy. What a difference.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 13:54     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.


No, he is not. He is just breezing through the material and when he takes shortcuts, the teacher is not having it. Whereas in algebra 1, there was a lot more leeway.

I am actually glad that he is not at 100%, and hopefully this gives him a perspective that not everything is easy. I was very opposed to him taking Geometry in summer but he insisted and I am glad he is being challenged a bit.

Also, this is not his first time doing Geometry. He does very advanced math in AOPS and has always loved Math.


What is AOPS?

This is the Fairfax County schools board.


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Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 13:47     Subject: Re:Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:Only can expunge if take between 7th and 8th, not if take after 8th, correct?


Not sure, ask the Counselor. It could be that they are considered a 9th grader now and the class cannot be expunged.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 13:43     Subject: Re:Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Only can expunge if take between 7th and 8th, not if take after 8th, correct?
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 12:28     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.


No, he is not. He is just breezing through the material and when he takes shortcuts, the teacher is not having it. Whereas in algebra 1, there was a lot more leeway.

I am actually glad that he is not at 100%, and hopefully this gives him a perspective that not everything is easy. I was very opposed to him taking Geometry in summer but he insisted and I am glad he is being challenged a bit.

Also, this is not his first time doing Geometry. He does very advanced math in AOPS and has always loved Math.


What is AOPS?

This is the Fairfax County schools board.


AoPS is Art of Problem Solving, a popular enrichment program that includes workbooks (Beast Academy), online chat based classes, on line inperson classes, and in person classes. Very popular among many of the die hard AAP families and school communities. RSM, the Russian School of Math, is anther popular option. So is Curie. Lots of families in AAP have kids in these programs. The kids have already completed the AoPS or RSM or Curie Geometry curriculum and take the summer Geometry in order to get credit from FCPS and move on to Algebra 2 as an 8th grader. Those kids find summer Geometry bearable or easy. Kids who have not attended those programs and take Geometry because they want to keep up with the kids' who are most advanced take Geometry and tend to struggle.






True ... I posted earlier with a B+ student in summer geometry. He has never taken any outside math classes, so this is all entirely new material for him. They are literally tested on content the day it's introduced, or at most the next day. There is no time for digging deeper if you don't get all the details on a new concept right away. I can see how prior introduction of the material would be super helpful. But on the flip side, it's always really fresh in his head - he's never trying to remember some formula they taught last month and haven't used since. Remains to be seen how well he'll retain any of it, though.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 12:04     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.


No, he is not. He is just breezing through the material and when he takes shortcuts, the teacher is not having it. Whereas in algebra 1, there was a lot more leeway.

I am actually glad that he is not at 100%, and hopefully this gives him a perspective that not everything is easy. I was very opposed to him taking Geometry in summer but he insisted and I am glad he is being challenged a bit.

Also, this is not his first time doing Geometry. He does very advanced math in AOPS and has always loved Math.


What is AOPS?

This is the Fairfax County schools board.


AoPS is Art of Problem Solving, a popular enrichment program that includes workbooks (Beast Academy), online chat based classes, on line inperson classes, and in person classes. Very popular among many of the die hard AAP families and school communities. RSM, the Russian School of Math, is anther popular option. So is Curie. Lots of families in AAP have kids in these programs. The kids have already completed the AoPS or RSM or Curie Geometry curriculum and take the summer Geometry in order to get credit from FCPS and move on to Algebra 2 as an 8th grader. Those kids find summer Geometry bearable or easy. Kids who have not attended those programs and take Geometry because they want to keep up with the kids' who are most advanced take Geometry and tend to struggle.




Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 11:57     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.


No, he is not. He is just breezing through the material and when he takes shortcuts, the teacher is not having it. Whereas in algebra 1, there was a lot more leeway.

I am actually glad that he is not at 100%, and hopefully this gives him a perspective that not everything is easy. I was very opposed to him taking Geometry in summer but he insisted and I am glad he is being challenged a bit.

Also, this is not his first time doing Geometry. He does very advanced math in AOPS and has always loved Math.


What is AOPS?

This is the Fairfax County schools board.


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https://artofproblemsolving.com
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 11:44     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.


No, he is not. He is just breezing through the material and when he takes shortcuts, the teacher is not having it. Whereas in algebra 1, there was a lot more leeway.

I am actually glad that he is not at 100%, and hopefully this gives him a perspective that not everything is easy. I was very opposed to him taking Geometry in summer but he insisted and I am glad he is being challenged a bit.

Also, this is not his first time doing Geometry. He does very advanced math in AOPS and has always loved Math.


What is AOPS?

This is the Fairfax County schools board.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 11:37     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.


No, he is not. He is just breezing through the material and when he takes shortcuts, the teacher is not having it. Whereas in algebra 1, there was a lot more leeway.

I am actually glad that he is not at 100%, and hopefully this gives him a perspective that not everything is easy. I was very opposed to him taking Geometry in summer but he insisted and I am glad he is being challenged a bit.

Also, this is not his first time doing Geometry. He does very advanced math in AOPS and has always loved Math.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 10:04     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience dealing with a harsh grader teacher? any point in arguing? or at this point, go the "expunge" route?
watching my kid who gets the questions, but fails to finish them clean.

If we were to expunge the score, do we still need to finish the class?

Thanks, to the wise ones..


1. He can drop out now and expunge the grade and retake Geometry next year.

2. He can continue and pass the course and expunge the grade and still move on to Algebra 2 in 8th grade.

3. Not sure about arguing with the teacher. DS has a harsh grader in summer geomtry as well. He had a 102 in Algebra 1 but is hovering around 97-98 so far.


Thank you. Didn't know there's option #2 as well. Yeah I wasn't so sure about arguing with the teacher, doesn't matter how harsh he seems to be. An example, kid got points deducted by writing Triangle ABC, instead of ACB... In a way, the kid is punished more for being careless/sloppy, than not getting it/not paying attention, in my opinion. Oh well, who says life is fair.

Again, thanks for all the advice and insight!


??? You didn't know that ordering in math is extremely important? Triangles ABC and ACB are NOT considered to be the same. Even if for that particular problem, they were the same, the teacher is doing your kid a favor by teaching him never to assume.

If your kid tends to be distracted and is taking an intensive class, you should build safeguards around them to ensure a top performance. My college kid has severe ADHD and took many summer classes as a teen, and was in 9th grade when the pandemic hit. During virtual learning, he sat down next to us and we monitored his tabs - otherwise he would watch YouTube videos while "listening" to the teacher. His phone was charging elsewhere. DH helped him for certain math concepts and we hired a math tutor for several months. In middle school I had taught him how to stay on top of assignments and how to use his planner optimally, which greatly helped him manage his high school workload. All this with medication for ADHD, of course.

All this executive functioning coaching and tutoring on our part paid off because he's a lot more responsible in college and can now trouble-shoot his own issues, and doesn't need meds all the time.

Some posters might advise you to let your kids fail, so they understand what not to do and learn from their mistakes. This is risky for a lot of kids, particularly ones with ADHD or other issues, because their brains will not allow them to pivot rapidly enough, and, college admissions being what they are, this will close doors for them. I have another kid who learns from her mistakes very quickly - I don't need to monitor her, she's very functional: so this is a "know your kid" situation. For now, like another PP said, you need to increase your level of support and supervision.


Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 09:39     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.




It does sound like the 102 Algebra kid is working hard to maintain that grade in Geometry and maybe didn't need to work as hard in Algebra. That would probably be because they are jamming a ton of work into a short window so there is less time to cover topics in class, which increases the independent work.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 06:35     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
OP, what type of grade are we talking about? Is your child earning a low A or B, or is this true struggling with a D?

I’m wondering because of a PP’s post about having a 102 in Algebra but now, “with a harsh grader”, has a 97 in summer Geometry.


Anonymous
Post 07/12/2024 00:04     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The summer classes go through roughly one quarter worth of material in one week.

That alone is proof that they're watered down.

My 7th grader who took Geometry during the year spent per week about 2-3h on homework alone. 10 weeks in a quarter would make 20-30h per summer week. Do the summer courses include this much in homework *in addition* to lectures?


My rising 9th grader just finished Geometry in 8th…she had 60 to 80 problems to finish for each class and spent a lot of time studying as well. Hopefully, it has prepared her (at least partly) for high school.

Mine definitely did not. Homework was quite light in middle school in all the classes including math. We'll see how high school goes.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2024 17:57     Subject: Summer Geometry teacher harsh grader
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:triangle ABC is the the exact same triangle as ACB. it doesn’t matter and shouldn’t be punished. it matters for angles but not triangles.


This is not always true, we’d need to see the question. (HS math teacher).


please show an example where it matters.


When indicating the type of congruency between two triangles.