Anonymous
07/16/2024 20:36
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Maybe
Yes. It’s for all students K-6.
Last I heard, it had not been finalized whether AAP ELA would be identical or abbreviated/test out.
AAP teachers are being told quarter 1 to just do basal.
Then what would they do instead? Is the county going to write a special AAP LA program?
Just quarter 1? They told you that in the training?
My teammate went to training. They want all teachers focused on using basal for quarter 1 and then slowly can introduce AAP stuff starting quarter 2 if time allows. I would say AAP Language Arts will look extremely different this year and parents/teachers don’t have much say in this change. The science of reading is law now in VA so this isn’t an FCPS thing but VA thing.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 20:03
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Maybe
Yes. It’s for all students K-6.
Last I heard, it had not been finalized whether AAP ELA would be identical or abbreviated/test out.
AAP teachers are being told quarter 1 to just do basal.
Then what would they do instead? Is the county going to write a special AAP LA program?
Just quarter 1? They told you that in the training?
Anonymous
07/16/2024 17:25
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
AAP, where the curriculum was different, starts in grade 3. This would be level 4 classes. Level 2 and 3 are in gen ed. Though there are some level 3 who get to go into a level 4 class, if there are not enough level 4 to make a class. Level 2 is virtually meaningless.
My kid got pulled out to do extra readings with someone and put on a few reader’s theater activities in their classroom in grades 1 and 2. It differentiated a little bit and they were able to just read instead of sitting through phonics lessons for things she did in preschool.
Glad she is starting high school soon and get what she needed instead of “more writing”
The answer for kid who is doing well in school and finishes early should never be more work. It breeds unhealthy life balance and anxiety.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 17:21
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
No. Level 2 is not AAP.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs
FCPS offers a continuum of services for elementary students to meet their current academic needs. The continuum of services supports the two main goals of the Advanced Academic Programs Office:
Talent Development
Meeting the Needs of the Advanced Learner
Access to Rigor (level I): Grades K-6 – All students receive talent development lessons with critical and creative thinking strategies and AAP curriculum lessons.
Subject Specific Advanced Differentiation (level II): Grades K-6 – Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons in the general education setting in areas of academic strength.
Part-Time Services (level III): Grades 3-6 – Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons in more than one academic content area. The Advanced Academic Resource Teacher (AART) leads these lessons. Programming has increased depth and complexity in several content areas.
Full-Time Services (level IV): Grades 3-8 –Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons full-time. Programming has increased depth, complexity, and pace in all academic content areas.
Yes, it apparently is and level 2 is in grades K-6 and children are supposed to receive AAP lessons in gen ed.
It happened to my kid in grades 1 and 2 before he went to full time AAP in third.
So, yes I can see why the AAP office isn’t happy.
The way level 2 and 3 are addressed in gen ed is usually by a monthly whole class lesson by the AART or something similar. They are not getting daily AAP services like the level 4 class.
Oh- how is the AART differentiating between the gen ed and AAP students and giving each AAP student “curriculum lessons in their area of strength”
Sounds more like they just come in and do a cut and paste worksheet with a few kids and then leave without addressing the extensions of curriculum in each child’s “area of strength”
Anonymous
07/16/2024 17:15
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
No. Level 2 is not AAP.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs
FCPS offers a continuum of services for elementary students to meet their current academic needs. The continuum of services supports the two main goals of the Advanced Academic Programs Office:
Talent Development
Meeting the Needs of the Advanced Learner
Access to Rigor (level I): Grades K-6 – All students receive talent development lessons with critical and creative thinking strategies and AAP curriculum lessons.
Subject Specific Advanced Differentiation (level II): Grades K-6 – Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons in the general education setting in areas of academic strength.
Part-Time Services (level III): Grades 3-6 – Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons in more than one academic content area. The Advanced Academic Resource Teacher (AART) leads these lessons. Programming has increased depth and complexity in several content areas.
Full-Time Services (level IV): Grades 3-8 –Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons full-time. Programming has increased depth, complexity, and pace in all academic content areas.
Yes, it apparently is and level 2 is in grades K-6 and children are supposed to receive AAP lessons in gen ed.
It happened to my kid in grades 1 and 2 before he went to full time AAP in third.
So, yes I can see why the AAP office isn’t happy.
The way level 2 and 3 are addressed in gen ed is usually by a monthly whole class lesson by the AART or something similar. They are not getting daily AAP services like the level 4 class.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 17:12
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
AAP, where the curriculum was different, starts in grade 3. This would be level 4 classes. Level 2 and 3 are in gen ed. Though there are some level 3 who get to go into a level 4 class, if there are not enough level 4 to make a class. Level 2 is virtually meaningless.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 16:04
Subject: Basal Training
Yes we will still have AAP lessons. Not sure how that will look with benchmark.
But benchmark is for 3-6 AAP just like general ed. It will be used according to the way FCPS is answering those questions.
But benchmark is for 3-6 AAP just like general ed. It will be used according to the way FCPS is answering those questions.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 15:42
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
No. Level 2 is not AAP.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs
FCPS offers a continuum of services for elementary students to meet their current academic needs. The continuum of services supports the two main goals of the Advanced Academic Programs Office:
Talent Development
Meeting the Needs of the Advanced Learner
Access to Rigor (level I): Grades K-6 – All students receive talent development lessons with critical and creative thinking strategies and AAP curriculum lessons.
Subject Specific Advanced Differentiation (level II): Grades K-6 – Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons in the general education setting in areas of academic strength.
Part-Time Services (level III): Grades 3-6 – Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons in more than one academic content area. The Advanced Academic Resource Teacher (AART) leads these lessons. Programming has increased depth and complexity in several content areas.
Full-Time Services (level IV): Grades 3-8 –Identified students receive AAP curriculum lessons full-time. Programming has increased depth, complexity, and pace in all academic content areas.
Yes, it apparently is and level 2 is in grades K-6 and children are supposed to receive AAP lessons in gen ed.
It happened to my kid in grades 1 and 2 before he went to full time AAP in third.
So, yes I can see why the AAP office isn’t happy.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 15:06
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
No. Level 2 is not AAP.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 14:59
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Doesn’t AAP start in at least 2nd with level 2?
Anonymous
07/16/2024 14:56
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Any decent teachers knows how to differentiate for high readers. It’s too bad all of the good ones are leaving.
Yes, but this is a scripted program that teachers are being required to use.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 14:49
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Yes.
100% yes. I’ve heard the AAP office is not very happy about this.
They shouldn’t be. THIS is the major issue with the science of reading curriculums coming out right now. They are using direct instruction with zero differentiation to accelerate children who naturally/early and have mastered the basics. Phonics curriculums are important, but they still need to meet kids where they are. They claim whole group direct instruction is the only way. It is solving the problem in a clumsy way. Even medicine is moving to more personalized medicine, but not schools. It is going backwards, when we should move the science forwards.
Upper elementary, where AAP is found, doesn’t teach phonics to the class. There will be morphology, and spelling, and a TON of writing. The program has extension for kids who need that. I can’t imagine how you would “test out” of a unit. The reading level of most of the materials are much higher than the average 5th grader but probably not as high as many kids could go. Some parents of AAP claim their kid is reading high enough to read Chaucer but it doesn’t mean they’d understand all of the complexities of the text. There is plenty to be learned in the curriculum, though I’m not really a fan of the topics of some units.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 11:19
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any decent teachers knows how to differentiate for high readers. It’s too bad all of the good ones are leaving.
You have no idea how little control teachers have over this. As someone who used to sneak in phonics back in the guided reading days- most of this isn’t learning how to teach, it is learning how to circumvent the archaic hierarchical system that is the school system.
+1, Decades ago, teachers were doing their own thing with very little overlap between classrooms. Nowadays, it is significantly harder to get away with that. So you may not get that differentiation mentioned earlier.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 11:13
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Any decent teachers knows how to differentiate for high readers. It’s too bad all of the good ones are leaving.
You have no idea how little control teachers have over this. As someone who used to sneak in phonics back in the guided reading days- most of this isn’t learning how to teach, it is learning how to circumvent the archaic hierarchical system that is the school system.
Anonymous
07/16/2024 07:48
Subject: Basal Training
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does AAP classes and GE classes both use basal?
Maybe
Yes. It’s for all students K-6.
Last I heard, it had not been finalized whether AAP ELA would be identical or abbreviated/test out.
Then what would they do instead? Is the county going to write a special AAP LA program?
They had one before. It included 4 books. The William and Mary language arts units like Journeys and Destinations. The grammar books like Building Language. The vocabulary books like Wordly wise
And the Root word books from Cesar's English. It was great. Why do they keep reinventing the wheel?