Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:17     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
I'm wondering what the poem would need to say to justify a person heckling AND the administration doing nothing. Let's say the kid was calling for Jihad or murdering Jewish people. Should the admin just stand by while the kid gets heckled? Is heckling our official response to hate speech?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:16     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.
what words did they read? Is it bullying if the readers were speaking words calling for the destruction of Israel? Why don’t they name the poem?


Are you seriously attempting to justify an adult interrupting and intimidating a 2nd grader?
so if a second grader read something anti lgbt you’d be upset if anyone interrupts?


Given that I am adult, I would hold myself to adult standards of behavior. I guess your mileage must vary. If I was offended by a 2nd grader, I would first question my sanity and then, in the worst imaginable case, complain to the principal.
Pretend the child read a passage from a book by Clayton Bigsby. Would you sit quietly and show how tolerant you are of horrible racism or would you screech loudly to express your disdain. I'm guessing option 2.


No, I would never stoop so low as to publicly humiliate a 2nd grader. Do you people who are in favor of heckling 2nd graders hear yourselves? Everyone has lots of "what ifs". What if this, what if that. What if it was your kid? What if your kid was doing something you thought was perfectly find and another parent disagreed? How would feel about an adult attacking them?
As I said earlier, I guess I'm just less tolerant of racism than you are, even when it's coming from an adult and filtered though a child.


At the root, the problem is that people like you seem unwilling to even contemplate a world in which Palestinians are real human beings, with art and poetry and literature beyond war.

When you have so dehumanized a group that you can't even imagine them as fully formed people, you get comments like the ones on this thread where everyone is assuming a 7-year-old was calling for jihad rather than considering an adult was out of control.
jsteele
Post 06/27/2024 13:13     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jeremy any concern from you that the CAIR official , Zainab Chaudry is herself an antisemite and got suspended from the md hate crimes commission for her antisemitic comments ?


Who is Jeremy? I am concerned about the topic of this thread which is an adult publicly heckling a 2nd grader at a school event. We can discuss random anti-semites and random anti-Islam bigots in other threads.


we have no idea what the poem was and no clarity on what the supposed “heckling” was. but we SURE see that there are only certain threads like this that JSteele chooses to comment on.


How many threads on DCUM involve adults approving of hecking 2nd graders at school events? I'm sure that i've commented on all of them.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:12     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jeremy any concern from you that the CAIR official , Zainab Chaudry is herself an antisemite and got suspended from the md hate crimes commission for her antisemitic comments ?


Who is Jeremy? I am concerned about the topic of this thread which is an adult publicly heckling a 2nd grader at a school event. We can discuss random anti-semites and random anti-Islam bigots in other threads.


How is that consistent with your comment at 12:59?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:12     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jeremy any concern from you that the CAIR official , Zainab Chaudry is herself an antisemite and got suspended from the md hate crimes commission for her antisemitic comments ?


Who is Jeremy? I am concerned about the topic of this thread which is an adult publicly heckling a 2nd grader at a school event. We can discuss random anti-semites and random anti-Islam bigots in other threads.


we have no idea what the poem was and no clarity on what the supposed “heckling” was. but we SURE see that there are only certain threads like this that JSteele chooses to comment on.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:11     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Sorry meant Jeff. Aging sucks
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:11     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
I just want to know what the poem was! And I'm Jewish! Why is it such a secret? There's no point in having opinions if we sm don't even know the poem.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:09     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jeremy any concern from you that the CAIR official , Zainab Chaudry is herself an antisemite and got suspended from the md hate crimes commission for her antisemitic comments ?


Who is Jeremy? I am concerned about the topic of this thread which is an adult publicly heckling a 2nd grader at a school event. We can discuss random anti-semites and random anti-Islam bigots in other threads.
how is the CAIR official who is actually the one who brought this issue forward just a random person? The WJLA story on this shows it was Zainab Chaudry who was the one speaking for CAIR
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:08     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.


Why can't they refer to the actual poem? We can't assume that the people doing the heckling were bullies or bigots because we don't know what words in that poem were being said. A lot of people heckled Trump for the terrible things he would say in public; and barely anyone batted an eye. Words have meaning and power.


Why can't you entertain for just a second that maybe an adult behaved badly? Islamophobia exists, just as do other forms of bigotry. It amazes me that folks on this board seem so ready to just assume a child was calling for jihad, rather than considering that maybe the adult was the one out of line. Moreover, it's painful to see that what appears to have been a child actually trying to share his culture ended in him being made to feel like his was the only culture that could not be recognized.

Look at this quote from the mom of the child who was publicly embarrassed. How can you not feel for them?

"I wish more people would come and talk to us. And ask us questions. Break the stereotypes about us and come and talk to us. We are not bad people.”



Humiliating a child is terrible, I agree with that; however, something in that poem triggered outrage from some people in the audience. We should know what was in that poem. And I absolutely believe that an adult was responsible for all of this and they should be ashamed for using a kid to push their political agenda.


Okay, but why so quick to assume that the child said something offensive rather than even considering for a moment that the adult who cut the kid off before he even got started was actually the problem?

There's this tremendous lack of grace being extended to an actual child, and all the benefit of the doubt being extended to the adult in the scenario. That's the bias at work.
jsteele
Post 06/27/2024 13:08     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:Jeremy any concern from you that the CAIR official , Zainab Chaudry is herself an antisemite and got suspended from the md hate crimes commission for her antisemitic comments ?


Who is Jeremy? I am concerned about the topic of this thread which is an adult publicly heckling a 2nd grader at a school event. We can discuss random anti-semites and random anti-Islam bigots in other threads.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:05     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The big issue here isn't just that some bigot decided to engage in Islamophomic bullying, it's that the administration sat by and did nothing. There will always be bullies and bigots but when folks with power choose to side with them, then you have a court case on your hand.


Why can't they refer to the actual poem? We can't assume that the people doing the heckling were bullies or bigots because we don't know what words in that poem were being said. A lot of people heckled Trump for the terrible things he would say in public; and barely anyone batted an eye. Words have meaning and power.


Why can't you entertain for just a second that maybe an adult behaved badly? Islamophobia exists, just as do other forms of bigotry. It amazes me that folks on this board seem so ready to just assume a child was calling for jihad, rather than considering that maybe the adult was the one out of line. Moreover, it's painful to see that what appears to have been a child actually trying to share his culture ended in him being made to feel like his was the only culture that could not be recognized.

Look at this quote from the mom of the child who was publicly embarrassed. How can you not feel for them?

"I wish more people would come and talk to us. And ask us questions. Break the stereotypes about us and come and talk to us. We are not bad people.”



Humiliating a child is terrible, I agree with that; however, something in that poem triggered outrage from some people in the audience. We should know what was in that poem. And I absolutely believe that an adult was responsible for all of this and they should be ashamed for using a kid to push their political agenda.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:05     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Jeremy any concern from you that the CAIR official , Zainab Chaudry is herself an antisemite and got suspended from the md hate crimes commission for her antisemitic comments ?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:04     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:So if it were over jihad you are more upset about humiliating a second grader than a call for jihad in school by a second grader? Can’t even rule this possibility out because they don’t tell us which poem it is


Why so focused on hypotheticals? It's extremely unlikely that this was an explicit call for jihad in part because that's not how poetry works. If anything, it was a lament for lost olive groves or something. But if you are the type of person who experiences any Palestinian suffering as an anti-semitic attack, of course, you were going to think that a lament for lost Olive groves is actually a call for jihad.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 13:00     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
So if it were over jihad you are more upset about humiliating a second grader than a call for jihad in school by a second grader? Can’t even rule this possibility out because they don’t tell us which poem it is
jsteele
Post 06/27/2024 12:59     Subject: CAIR complains of incident at Damascus ES
Anonymous wrote:Freedom of speech. That said, if this child were reading something to incite hatred on either side I would have spoken up.
Clearly, I am in the minority and believe Israel has every right to defend itself.
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No wonder Israel has killed so many 2nd graders. Even poems are a threat.