Anonymous
07/03/2024 02:17
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
^ This is a quote from the same article:
“Children of the top one percent, earning more than $611,000 a year, are significantly overrepresented in the Ivy League — more likely to attend selective private colleges than students from any other income bracket with comparable SAT and ACT scores.”
“Children of the top one percent, earning more than $611,000 a year, are significantly overrepresented in the Ivy League — more likely to attend selective private colleges than students from any other income bracket with comparable SAT and ACT scores.”
Anonymous
07/03/2024 02:14
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Keep telling yourself that. Full pay really isn't a hook at schools admitting under 10 percent of applicants (and also happen to give significant financial aid).
Right. Tells me pp knows nothing about top schools. Soo many people can pay full price for top schools.
So naive…
“When it came to the Ivy Plus schools (the plus being the University of Chicago, Duke, MIT, and Stanford)…chances of admission are lowest for children of the top 5 to 10 percent, who earn $158,200 to $222,400 a year. These applicants fare worse than both kids who are richer than them and kids who are poorer than them, all with similar test scores.”
“Many elite schools also try to drive up their “yield rate,” the percentage of accepted students who actually enroll. And that’s why, for kids in the top 5 to 10 percent, “if you don’t apply early decision, which is binding, you’re probably not getting in,” Selingo says. “This income bracket tends to comparison-shop merit-aid packages or discounts in regular decision, and colleges know that, so they know their chance of yielding these kids is lower.” Another way of looking at it: A student who requires need-based financial aid clearly can’t pay, and a one percenter clearly can pay, but this income bracket is a wild card. Selingo says if they get “gapped,” meaning there’s a gap between what they can pay and what they’re being asked to pay (even with merit aid), the college will lose them. “That’s why these schools don’t love to admit these kids,” says Selingo.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/college-acceptance-rates-ivy-league-schools-wealth.html
Anonymous
07/02/2024 23:48
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is fine, but it s isn't interesting.
I'm waiting for someone to post "I spent $250K (or $500K) on a school and it was a huge mistake.
If you can't get good value out of $250K, you are hopeless.
Seriously. This thread is basically "I just wanted to post here and let you all know that I'm feeling pretty good about being wealthy and privileged. I considered the alternative, and I really think I came to the right decision to not be poor."
LOL. and college admissions have changed dramatically in the last four years. Currently, public kids ARE getting in to top colleges more easily than privates because of the anti-elitism, DEI, URM, minority, etc. push of the elite university and college institutions. So, while the private system worked for HER, currently, you will see most private counselors will say that statistically the great public student has an edge over the great private student
Wishful thinking from a public school parent. That’s not what the facts say. Over representation of elite private school students at elite universities are one of the main reasons they’re elite. Not because there’s an over representation of poor/middle class strivers who need financial aid to attend. The truth stings.
https://moco360.media/2023/09/13/where-montgomery-county-high-school-graduates-are-going-to-college/
My goodness, MCPS schools live rent-free in your head. Always trying to measure up to MCPS.
Several school districts in the area, but you always post about them.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 23:38
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Elite colleges have long been filled with the children of the richest families: At Ivy League schools, one in six students has parents in the top 1 percent.
A large new study, released Monday, shows that it has not been because these children had more impressive grades on average or took harder classes. They tended to have higher SAT scores and finely honed résumés, and applied at a higher rate — but they were overrepresented even after accounting for those things. For applicants with the same SAT or ACT score, children from families in the top 1 percent were 34 percent more likely to be admitted than the average applicant, and those from the top 0.1 percent were more than twice as likely to get in.
https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/CollegeAdmissions_Nontech.pdf
A large new study, released Monday, shows that it has not been because these children had more impressive grades on average or took harder classes. They tended to have higher SAT scores and finely honed résumés, and applied at a higher rate — but they were overrepresented even after accounting for those things. For applicants with the same SAT or ACT score, children from families in the top 1 percent were 34 percent more likely to be admitted than the average applicant, and those from the top 0.1 percent were more than twice as likely to get in.
https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/CollegeAdmissions_Nontech.pdf
Anonymous
07/02/2024 22:14
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Keep telling yourself that. Full pay really isn't a hook at schools admitting under 10 percent of applicants (and also happen to give significant financial aid).
Right. Tells me pp knows nothing about top schools. Soo many people can pay full price for top schools.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 21:50
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Keep telling yourself that. Full pay really isn't a hook at schools admitting under 10 percent of applicants (and also happen to give significant financial aid).
Anonymous
07/02/2024 20:39
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is fine, but it s isn't interesting.
I'm waiting for someone to post "I spent $250K (or $500K) on a school and it was a huge mistake.
If you can't get good value out of $250K, you are hopeless.
Seriously. This thread is basically "I just wanted to post here and let you all know that I'm feeling pretty good about being wealthy and privileged. I considered the alternative, and I really think I came to the right decision to not be poor."
LOL. and college admissions have changed dramatically in the last four years. Currently, public kids ARE getting in to top colleges more easily than privates because of the anti-elitism, DEI, URM, minority, etc. push of the elite university and college institutions. So, while the private system worked for HER, currently, you will see most private counselors will say that statistically the great public student has an edge over the great private student
Wishful thinking from a public school parent. That’s not what the facts say. Over representation of elite private school students at elite universities are one of the main reasons they’re elite. Not because there’s an over representation of poor/middle class strivers who need financial aid to attend. The truth stings.
https://moco360.media/2023/09/13/where-montgomery-county-high-school-graduates-are-going-to-college/
They are over-represented because they can pay.
Yup! And that’s why elite private school students will remain over represented at Ivy+/T-whatever elite colleges. There is nothing new under the sun. The prior PP is celebrating “the rise of the public school student at elite private universities.” It’s a lie that’s fed to the masses. These universities are just rearranging deck chairs around the margins. The (underrepresented) wealthy and powerful target group will maintain access to these spaces.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 20:25
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is fine, but it s isn't interesting.
I'm waiting for someone to post "I spent $250K (or $500K) on a school and it was a huge mistake.
If you can't get good value out of $250K, you are hopeless.
Seriously. This thread is basically "I just wanted to post here and let you all know that I'm feeling pretty good about being wealthy and privileged. I considered the alternative, and I really think I came to the right decision to not be poor."
LOL. and college admissions have changed dramatically in the last four years. Currently, public kids ARE getting in to top colleges more easily than privates because of the anti-elitism, DEI, URM, minority, etc. push of the elite university and college institutions. So, while the private system worked for HER, currently, you will see most private counselors will say that statistically the great public student has an edge over the great private student
Wishful thinking from a public school parent. That’s not what the facts say. Over representation of elite private school students at elite universities are one of the main reasons they’re elite. Not because there’s an over representation of poor/middle class strivers who need financial aid to attend. The truth stings.
https://moco360.media/2023/09/13/where-montgomery-county-high-school-graduates-are-going-to-college/
They are over-represented because they can pay.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 18:33
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Back of the envelope math, I will have spent 650k on my kid’s education from pre-K through four year undergraduate degree. It will be worth every penny. Not looking or hoping kid goes to Ivy. Not necessary, IMO. Self made husband went to a small no name undergrad. I went to a big state university and partied for 5 years. We are both very successful in our fields and want our kid to have a solid foundational education. We don’t need social justice taught to little kids or you can identify as a cat. Teach reading, writing, math, geography, foreign languages, creative writing, critical thinking, etc… I wish I could have saved a couple hundred thousand off the education fund, but the county I pay taxes in is more focused on screwing up the core education of students than setting them up for success.
Kudos to OP and their kids. Not impressed about the Ivies.
+1 Magna cum laude son from one of the Catholic high schools
Anonymous
07/02/2024 18:29
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is fine, but it s isn't interesting.
I'm waiting for someone to post "I spent $250K (or $500K) on a school and it was a huge mistake.
If you can't get good value out of $250K, you are hopeless.
Seriously. This thread is basically "I just wanted to post here and let you all know that I'm feeling pretty good about being wealthy and privileged. I considered the alternative, and I really think I came to the right decision to not be poor."
LOL. and college admissions have changed dramatically in the last four years. Currently, public kids ARE getting in to top colleges more easily than privates because of the anti-elitism, DEI, URM, minority, etc. push of the elite university and college institutions. So, while the private system worked for HER, currently, you will see most private counselors will say that statistically the great public student has an edge over the great private student
Wishful thinking from a public school parent. That’s not what the facts say. Over representation of elite private school students at elite universities are one of the main reasons they’re elite. Not because there’s an over representation of poor/middle class strivers who need financial aid to attend. The truth stings.
https://moco360.media/2023/09/13/where-montgomery-county-high-school-graduates-are-going-to-college/
Anonymous
07/02/2024 18:00
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
It worked for us too OP. Only kid went private all the way and then Ivy. I would never have even considered public since we live in DC.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 17:53
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is fine, but it s isn't interesting.
I'm waiting for someone to post "I spent $250K (or $500K) on a school and it was a huge mistake.
If you can't get good value out of $250K, you are hopeless.
Seriously. This thread is basically "I just wanted to post here and let you all know that I'm feeling pretty good about being wealthy and privileged. I considered the alternative, and I really think I came to the right decision to not be poor."
LOL. and college admissions have changed dramatically in the last four years. Currently, public kids ARE getting in to top colleges more easily than privates because of the anti-elitism, DEI, URM, minority, etc. push of the elite university and college institutions. So, while the private system worked for HER, currently, you will see most private counselors will say that statistically the great public student has an edge over the great private student
Anonymous
07/02/2024 17:52
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:A lot of people are casting doubts on private school kids being better prepared. I saw it with my own eyes at the T10 I attended from a public high school (I think it's a 3 on greatschools right now). It was most noticeable in writing. Less so in math, where the real standouts tended to come from public magnets. I didn't know about the tippy top, but in the top of the middle of the pack, private school kids were overrepresented.
Also, private school kids were more confident about speaking in class and presenting, more apt to use office hours. Again only on average, at the margins, and other disclaimers, but the effect was noticeable.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 17:46
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
A lot of people are casting doubts on private school kids being better prepared. I saw it with my own eyes at the T10 I attended from a public high school (I think it's a 3 on greatschools right now). It was most noticeable in writing. Less so in math, where the real standouts tended to come from public magnets. I didn't know about the tippy top, but in the top of the middle of the pack, private school kids were overrepresented.
Anonymous
07/02/2024 17:36
Subject: Update from an Alumna of this Group
Anonymous wrote:What led to them choosing the (relatively) easy A classes over more challenging ones?Anonymous wrote:Few years since I graduated as a poster in this group (except for occasionally checking). Thought I would update on life after PIS. Kids went to top area private. Have now graduated from Ivies (well one has a year left). They had near perfect grades in college. Are now working for a couple of years before going to law school.
I think back to the meeting that we had with a paid college consultant who advised us to pull the kids out of privates so they would have a better shot at getting into college as it was less competitive and could distinguish themselves. I wonder if she is still in business?
Was private worth it? Hell yeah. It made my kids able to handle College much better from an education perspective--they were academically ready.
Probably wanting to go to law school.