Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 10:07     Subject: Re:doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:People: this is what OP is asking:

Do you think this could go wrong or help her college applications?

OP is not asking if it is dishonest or if she should retitle it.


Oh. I thought she was asking does it look like her DD pulled a Liz Warren and if she should address it in her applications.

What else would go wrong? I don’t get it
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 10:00     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:URM favoritism is banned, so a moot point anyways.


Wrong. It is banned based on race alone. Race as part of the lived experience is - permissible thing to consider.


I love your logic. According to those who favored AA, URMs needed a leg up because they faced a lack of opportunity.
In reality, though, today nearly all opportunities (like this internship) are for URMs only. We all know this when our children were looking for opportunities. As this thread shows, even if there is the - extremely rare - opportunity that allows applications by non-URMs, in the end, your child ends up in a URM-labeled program.

Now, with the SCOTUS decision, AOs are no longer allowed to look at race (as a sign of being disadvantaged), but they are allowed to look at participation in URM-only opportunities like this internship. So participation in URM-only internships has no become a sign of "lived experience" - presumably, the lived experience of being selected because of race for opportunities others aren't generally offered.


A. This is not my logic. The logic is that of the U.S. Supreme Court. Go read the third to last paragraph of the main opinion. I strongly suggest you read the majority opinion. Your first sentence of your last paragraph is NOT what the court said. The court is absolutely allowed to look at race as a sign of being disadvantaged if it is part of an essay.

As a side note: with regard to the ending of your first sentence of your last paragraph: I mean, of course, AOs can consider participation in ALL opportunities. Would you suggest that kids can put down Model UN but not Hispanic Club? Or FBLA but not Black Entrepreneurs? You're absurd.

B. Although that paragraph (third from the end) from the majority opinion notes that students can discuss how race affected their life, I don't think anyone would use the opportunity to do so to show excessive opportunities that were offered to them (and to the exclusion of others) based on race.

C. There are definitely internship opportunities only available to minorities, however, you're crazy if you think this thread has shown anything of the sort of what you stated in bold above.

Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 09:38     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:URM favoritism is banned, so a moot point anyways.


Wrong. It is banned based on race alone. Race as part of the lived experience is - permissible thing to consider.


I love your logic. According to those who favored AA, URMs needed a leg up because they faced a lack of opportunity.
In reality, though, today nearly all opportunities (like this internship) are for URMs only. We all know this when our children were looking for opportunities. As this thread shows, even if there is the - extremely rare - opportunity that allows applications by non-URMs, in the end, your child ends up in a URM-labeled program.

Now, with the SCOTUS decision, AOs are no longer allowed to look at race (as a sign of being disadvantaged), but they are allowed to look at participation in URM-only opportunities like this internship. So participation in URM-only internships has no become a sign of "lived experience" - presumably, the lived experience of being selected because of race for opportunities others aren't generally offered.


What country do you live in? Clearly from this line, it's not the USA, so I'm curious.

I think your kids should write their essay about the lived experience of having a parent who views the world through such a distorted lens.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 09:33     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:URM favoritism is banned, so a moot point anyways.


Wrong. It is banned based on race alone. Race as part of the lived experience is - permissible thing to consider.


I love your logic. According to those who favored AA, URMs needed a leg up because they faced a lack of opportunity.
In reality, though, today nearly all opportunities (like this internship) are for URMs only. We all know this when our children were looking for opportunities. As this thread shows, even if there is the - extremely rare - opportunity that allows applications by non-URMs, in the end, your child ends up in a URM-labeled program.

Now, with the SCOTUS decision, AOs are no longer allowed to look at race (as a sign of being disadvantaged), but they are allowed to look at participation in URM-only opportunities like this internship. So participation in URM-only internships has no become a sign of "lived experience" - presumably, the lived experience of being selected because of race for opportunities others aren't generally offered.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 07:58     Subject: Re:doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Again, for people who still don’t get it:

OP is asking:

Do you think this could go wrong or help her college applications?

OP is not asking if it is dishonest or if she should retitle it. OP wants the benefit as long as it won’t backfire.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 07:46     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:Of course she shouldn’t give up a prestigious internship because its administration is being merged with a program for URM. It’s still basically the same opportunity ands she still had to interview and compete for it? And could get valuable experience and connections? So no, she doesn’t give it up because the company reorganized their internships. That’s not her fault. And it doesn’t make her less worth of the experience.

But, she should word it so it’s not deceptive on the application. First of all, because that’s the honest thing to do and character matters. And secondly because, sure, admissions are allegedly race blind now. But the emphasis is on allegedly. If the college reads the application, believes she is a URM, and then she does something like interview and it’s apparent she’s not Black, it could call her character into question.

So be honest in the listing: “completed Women in Business Internship at Goggle (please note this program was merged with the Black Women in STEM Internship at Google for summer 2024 and may appear under that name).

Done.

And congrats to your kid. I hope it’s a great opportunity.


+1. Somehow acknowledge the name of the program they actually applied to, interviewed for etc. The honesty part is about what they intentionally applied for.

If they wanted to part of the xyz organization where their demographic was different in my mind that’s okay as long as they didn’t misrepresent themselves to the organization and believe in the mission. Someone reading the resume/application should know that legally many organizations are open to all so participation can mean the person is in the demographic but can also mean that they are a supporter of the mission.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 07:40     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
How weird. They aren’t changing the name of the merged program? As long as she actually did the program and represents it honestly, she’s done nothing wrong.

Sometimes I wonder about my DS - he has a name that inadvertently sounds Black and also attends a majority black schook district.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 07:33     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Outside of your control. Go with the flow list it as is. If it helps great. Think of it as an unexpected bonus, make the most of it and move on.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 07:08     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
One line in your activities list makes little to no difference unless you call attention to it in your essays.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2024 06:46     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
It is not lying to write the name of the program she did on the activity list. Write the actual name and then describe the work she did there. Done.
You are really over thinking this.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2024 23:14     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Op - do the internship - from what I see, she was accepted to an internship that was later merged with a similar internship with added benefits built into it. She can mention in an essay how she applied to an internship that suddenly turned into more than what she’d originally expected and was grateful for the opportunity and for the fellow students she got to work with

Anonymous
Post 06/19/2024 22:33     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
As long as she is honest on her application and not try to game the system, its fine to seek experiences out of your own bubble.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2024 22:30     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
She could be like C. Thomas Howell in Soul Man except without having to OD on tanning pills.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2024 21:28     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:Of course she shouldn’t give up a prestigious internship because its administration is being merged with a program for URM. It’s still basically the same opportunity ands she still had to interview and compete for it? And could get valuable experience and connections? So no, she doesn’t give it up because the company reorganized their internships. That’s not her fault. And it doesn’t make her less worth of the experience.

But, she should word it so it’s not deceptive on the application. First of all, because that’s the honest thing to do and character matters. And secondly because, sure, admissions are allegedly race blind now. But the emphasis is on allegedly. If the college reads the application, believes she is a URM, and then she does something like interview and it’s apparent she’s not Black, it could call her character into question.

So be honest in the listing: “completed Women in Business Internship at Goggle (please note this program was merged with the Black Women in STEM Internship at Google for summer 2024 and may appear under that name).

Done.

And congrats to your kid. I hope it’s a great opportunity.


I think this is a great response.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2024 20:39     Subject: doing an extracurricular that makes you appears like an URM when you are not
Anonymous wrote:I'd list it on activities section as the program she applied for and was accepted into. Seems cleaner and more honest.


List it as the program she applied for then put in parentheses “merged into black women at Google” or whatever. This seems accurate but not misleading.