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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

What are his oft-contrarian takes on hot-button issues like? How would he align himself politically at the moment?

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Oft-contrarian wasn't the best wording. He doesn't intentionally stir the pot or go out of his way to buck the mainstream, but he learned during Covid to question popular narratives. He has a healthy distrust of government and authority in general after watching his older sibling miss milestones because of the lockdowns.

As for the Israel/Gaza stuff, he sides with Israel but will eagerly engage with people on the other side, and to his credit he's cool as a cucumber and remains civil in debates -- he takes very little personally. That said, he doesn't want to be anywhere near a campus that has "encampments" and militant protestors. He'd be happy on a campus where the closest thing to "activism" is students pumping iron in the gym.

So he doesn’t want to be with students who care enough about issues impacting their lives to do something about it. Got it. Sounds swell.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

What are his oft-contrarian takes on hot-button issues like? How would he align himself politically at the moment?

OP here.

Oft-contrarian wasn't the best wording. He doesn't intentionally stir the pot or go out of his way to buck the mainstream, but he learned during Covid to question popular narratives. He has a healthy distrust of government and authority in general after watching his older sibling miss milestones because of the lockdowns.

As for the Israel/Gaza stuff, he sides with Israel but will eagerly engage with people on the other side, and to his credit he's cool as a cucumber and remains civil in debates -- he takes very little personally. That said, he doesn't want to be anywhere near a campus that has "encampments" and militant protestors. He'd be happy on a campus where the closest thing to "activism" is students pumping iron in the gym.

So he doesn’t want to be with students who care enough about issues impacting their lives to do something about it. Got it. Sounds swell.

You think these college dorks are actually doing something about the situation in the Middle East? They're engaging in performative outrage, inconveniencing and annoying their fellow students, and making themselves look like morons, but they haven't changed a thing about the situation on the ground in Gaza.

I mean, just because they can't single-handedly change something, they can still be heartbroken and outraged, especially at their government (and universities' investments) enabling Israel's campaign by supplying arms to bomb people.

It's like you Hamas boosters just memory holed 10/7.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

What are his oft-contrarian takes on hot-button issues like? How would he align himself politically at the moment?

OP here.

Oft-contrarian wasn't the best wording. He doesn't intentionally stir the pot or go out of his way to buck the mainstream, but he learned during Covid to question popular narratives. He has a healthy distrust of government and authority in general after watching his older sibling miss milestones because of the lockdowns.

As for the Israel/Gaza stuff, he sides with Israel but will eagerly engage with people on the other side, and to his credit he's cool as a cucumber and remains civil in debates -- he takes very little personally. That said, he doesn't want to be anywhere near a campus that has "encampments" and militant protestors. He'd be happy on a campus where the closest thing to "activism" is students pumping iron in the gym.

So he doesn’t want to be with students who care enough about issues impacting their lives to do something about it. Got it. Sounds swell.

You think these college dorks are actually doing something about the situation in the Middle East? They're engaging in performative outrage, inconveniencing and annoying their fellow students, and making themselves look like morons, but they haven't changed a thing about the situation on the ground in Gaza.

I mean, just because they can't single-handedly change something, they can still be heartbroken and outraged, especially at their government (and universities' investments) enabling Israel's campaign by supplying arms to bomb people.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

What are his oft-contrarian takes on hot-button issues like? How would he align himself politically at the moment?

OP here.

Oft-contrarian wasn't the best wording. He doesn't intentionally stir the pot or go out of his way to buck the mainstream, but he learned during Covid to question popular narratives. He has a healthy distrust of government and authority in general after watching his older sibling miss milestones because of the lockdowns.

As for the Israel/Gaza stuff, he sides with Israel but will eagerly engage with people on the other side, and to his credit he's cool as a cucumber and remains civil in debates -- he takes very little personally. That said, he doesn't want to be anywhere near a campus that has "encampments" and militant protestors. He'd be happy on a campus where the closest thing to "activism" is students pumping iron in the gym.

So he doesn’t want to be with students who care enough about issues impacting their lives to do something about it. Got it. Sounds swell.

You think these college dorks are actually doing something about the situation in the Middle East? They're engaging in performative outrage, inconveniencing and annoying their fellow students, and making themselves look like morons, but they haven't changed a thing about the situation on the ground in Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

You mean like masks, social distancing and dare I say, vaccines?! How dreadful!!

In other words, two things that were shown to be ineffective and one that was marginally effective (despite being marketed as 95+ percent effective) but carried risks of its own.

I'll take CDC recommendations over Ronny Jackson and Joseph Ladapo.

Ladapo runs intellectual circles around the CDC (Covid Dork Crew). That's why Florida had better age-adjusted Covid outcomes than almost all of the lockdown states, without taking a wrecking ball to its residents' freedoms.

I don’t think it’s as clear-cut as you say. California had longer lockdowns, but less learning loss than Florida; and it was the other way around for other states. https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/education/our-insights/covid-19-learning-delay-and-recovery-where-do-us-states-stand

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

You mean like masks, social distancing and dare I say, vaccines?! How dreadful!!

In other words, two things that were shown to be ineffective and one that was marginally effective (despite being marketed as 95+ percent effective) but carried risks of its own.

I'll take CDC recommendations over Ronny Jackson and Joseph Ladapo.

Ladapo runs intellectual circles around the CDC (Covid Dork Crew). That's why Florida had better age-adjusted Covid outcomes than almost all of the lockdown states, without taking a wrecking ball to its residents' freedoms.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DS who's starting to become interested in LACs, and Dickinson has found its way onto his list.

My image of the school, formed in the 1990s, consists of buttoned-up, well-off prep school types who didn't quite have the stats for Williams or Amherst (a category my DS falls into, minus the prep school). The people I knew who attended weren't remotely political in college, and most either remained that way as adults or became centrists or country-club Republicans.

But some of the stuff I've read about Dickinson lately makes me wonder if, like many other colleges, particularly LACs, it's gone woke.

A few things that give me pause:

An article in the Dickinsonian (the student newspaper) a few years back advocated for white male students basically shutting up and not contributing to class discussions.

The school's response to Covid was over-the-top and draconian.

For at least two years after Covid, the school went fully test-blind, a policy I tend to associate with the DEI, tests-only-measure-privilege set. FWIW, it has since gone back to test-optional.

On this board, Dickinson is often touted over its rival Gettysburg (also on my DS's list) for its lack of Greek life and "bro" vibe.

For a variety of reasons, I don't think my son, with his irreverent sense of humor, oft-contrarian approach to current events and hot-button issues, and tendency to speak his mind, consequences be damned, would be happy at a fully woke college. (To preempt the "send him to Liberty" trolls who are sure to descend on this thread, he'd be equally miserable there, to say nothing of the lack of academic rigor he'd encounter.)

I feel my DS would do best, and he agrees, at a small school where he won't get lost in the crowd, where one political viewpoint doesn't predominate, and where free speech and free inquiry are not just permitted but demanded.

Should he keep Dickinson on his list or is it too woke for what he's looking for?

You mean like masks, social distancing and dare I say, vaccines?! How dreadful!!

In other words, two things that were shown to be ineffective and one that was marginally effective (despite being marketed as 95+ percent effective) but carried risks of its own.

I'll take CDC recommendations over Ronny Jackson and Joseph Ladapo.

Ladapo runs intellectual circles around the CDC (Covid Dork Crew). That's why Florida had better age-adjusted Covid outcomes than almost all of the lockdown states, without taking a wrecking ball to its residents' freedoms.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at Gettysburg, Trinity, Bucknell, Villanova, Denison, etc as people above have suggested or visit Dickinson to find out for yourself.

DP. Thanks for the list of colleges that we will definitely not consider.