Anonymous
05/16/2024 03:07
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
And I am so grateful after reading this that my kid attends a high school that maxes out at Calc AB. And grateful for my own high school experience that wasn’t jam packed with college math as math was always my best subject. This is insane.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 01:47
Subject: Re:Equity against Math acceleration
There are plenty of schools that don't deliberately hinder their students' educations by allowing them to work at their own pace, either with AoPS, EMF, or similar. That's how TJ has kids taking BC in 9th.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hyper accelerated math doesnt move the needle much, now amc, usamo and aime do.
Those two things go hand in hand. The kid who going to represent his university at the Putnam competition was most likely both accelerated in math and did well on the AIME, etc.
It's a mix. Except for a few extreme math academies (California, Nevada, and a few others) and home schoolers who don't have class levels at all, the other math contest people just do whatever in school and learn advanced/enriched math after school (or on their laptops in school while ignoring class).
Anonymous
05/16/2024 01:45
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
There is no Math 20700 (UChicago) or Math 55 (Harvard) at Florida State or U Iowa. Georgia State has 3500H, but that's still at least two notches below.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is an equity minion troll on this forum that downplays the benefits of math acceleration. Usually the poster did algebra1 in 6th, Calc BC in 9th, and Discrete math in 12th, but still not get admitted into Ivys, T10, Princeton, MIT, etc. The troll then replies as another poster saying Princeton admitted their child with just Calc AB in 12th, concluding math acceleration did not help at all, everyone should stick to grade level math.
How many here actually have their students accelerate in math on an average and what is the math they graduate HS with? Does it help college admissions especially for STEM majors.
I am no equity minion and believe that kid should take the highest math they are capable of. That said, I can tell you that my kid finished HS with Calc BC in 10th and multiple semester of college math all As, high scores etc, and was WL and rejected at all T10 / Ivy. Was coming from a magnet school and doing CS but goes to show that there are many factors in this.
CS/eng major for college admissions is brutal, especially for white/asian males from this area. Doesn't matter if they take the highest level math class or get a perfect SAT score. It's just brutal.
It’s only brutal if you’re obsessed with T20. What’s wrong with Florida State or U Iowa? Serious question by the way.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 01:43
Subject: Re:Equity against Math acceleration
But you can't do very well in math competitions without being hyper accelerated. The kids qualifying for MOP usually qualify for USAJMO in middle school, which is 5+ years of acceleration before you even consider the many extra years' worth of competition-specific math prep.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:hyper accelerated math doesnt move the needle much, now amc, usamo and aime do.
Those two things go hand in hand. The kid who going to represent his university at the Putnam competition was most likely both accelerated in math and did well on the AIME, etc.
most hyper accelerated kids aren't actually doing math competitions
Anonymous
05/16/2024 01:01
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Race to nowhere.
The counterpoint is that especially in lower grades math moves very slowly and a large fraction of the kids could would benefit from a faster pace.
Sure, some advanced topics/acceleration make sense. But we reach diminishing returns at some point. Only exception being the rare math genius who jumps ahead grades.
Also as younger and younger kids take these classes the curriculum is altered. Look at algebra text from a couple generations ago they are very difficult.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 00:19
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Multi variable in 12th. CMU CS admitted.
Multi variable in 11th, Differential in 12th at TJ. Destination MIT.
Anonymous
05/16/2024 00:04
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
DS accelerated in math in 7th. Did BC in 10th and multi variable and linear algebra at local colleges. Graduated with 11 APs. Math is still a passion but he is now studying engineering. He did not get into the 2 Ivies he applied to (Yale or Harvard), MIT or carnegie mellon, but is very happy where he ended up, went in as a sophomore due to all his APs, and has a job with Northrop Grumman this summer.
If your kids likes math, acceleration is a fabulous opportunity. I wouldn’t change anything he did. But, he wanted to accelerate. If they don’t want it, pushing them ahead may not be worth it.
If your kids likes math, acceleration is a fabulous opportunity. I wouldn’t change anything he did. But, he wanted to accelerate. If they don’t want it, pushing them ahead may not be worth it.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 20:58
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Race to nowhere.
The counterpoint is that especially in lower grades math moves very slowly and a large fraction of the kids could would benefit from a faster pace.
Sure, some advanced topics/acceleration make sense. But we reach diminishing returns at some point. Only exception being the rare math genius who jumps ahead grades.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 20:06
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Race to nowhere.
The counterpoint is that especially in lower grades math moves very slowly and a large fraction of the kids could would benefit from a faster pace.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 18:59
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:2 kids at Ivies. One completed MVC and one BC Calc. MVC kid said that math in college is hard and kids were crying during the math final 2 weeks ago. As a poster before stated- it is important to understand math, so not sure what the obsession with acceleration is.
My daughter routinely has kids crying in her high school math class 😂
Anonymous
05/15/2024 18:55
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Race to nowhere.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 18:53
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
2 kids at Ivies. One completed MVC and one BC Calc. MVC kid said that math in college is hard and kids were crying during the math final 2 weeks ago. As a poster before stated- it is important to understand math, so not sure what the obsession with acceleration is.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 18:30
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Equity is important. By accelerating your kids in math, you are creating an equity gap.
Huh?
I think that person was a troll trying to negatively politicize equity. I think OP is one too.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 18:19
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is an equity minion troll on this forum that downplays the benefits of math acceleration. Usually the poster did algebra1 in 6th, Calc BC in 9th, and Discrete math in 12th, but still not get admitted into Ivys, T10, Princeton, MIT, etc. The troll then replies as another poster saying Princeton admitted their child with just Calc AB in 12th, concluding math acceleration did not help at all, everyone should stick to grade level math.
How many here actually have their students accelerate in math on an average and what is the math they graduate HS with? Does it help college admissions especially for STEM majors.
I am no equity minion and believe that kid should take the highest math they are capable of. That said, I can tell you that my kid finished HS with Calc BC in 10th and multiple semester of college math all As, high scores etc, and was WL and rejected at all T10 / Ivy. Was coming from a magnet school and doing CS but goes to show that there are many factors in this.
CS/eng major for college admissions is brutal, especially for white/asian males from this area. Doesn't matter if they take the highest level math class or get a perfect SAT score. It's just brutal.
It’s only brutal if you’re obsessed with T20. What’s wrong with Florida State or U Iowa? Serious question by the way.
Still waiting.
DP. I’m good with state schools but Florida and Ohio are shtholes.
Anonymous
05/15/2024 18:12
Subject: Equity against Math acceleration
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is an equity minion troll on this forum that downplays the benefits of math acceleration. Usually the poster did algebra1 in 6th, Calc BC in 9th, and Discrete math in 12th, but still not get admitted into Ivys, T10, Princeton, MIT, etc. The troll then replies as another poster saying Princeton admitted their child with just Calc AB in 12th, concluding math acceleration did not help at all, everyone should stick to grade level math.
How many here actually have their students accelerate in math on an average and what is the math they graduate HS with? Does it help college admissions especially for STEM majors.
I am no equity minion and believe that kid should take the highest math they are capable of. That said, I can tell you that my kid finished HS with Calc BC in 10th and multiple semester of college math all As, high scores etc, and was WL and rejected at all T10 / Ivy. Was coming from a magnet school and doing CS but goes to show that there are many factors in this.
CS/eng major for college admissions is brutal, especially for white/asian males from this area. Doesn't matter if they take the highest level math class or get a perfect SAT score. It's just brutal.
It’s only brutal if you’re obsessed with T20. What’s wrong with Florida State or U Iowa? Serious question by the way.
Still waiting.