Listen up - as POTUS, Biden should have an understanding of Bibi and all heads of state in a manner nobody else does. That he went forth and supported Israel ALL IN from the get go - that was his big mistake right there.

He should have/needed to/had to know that Netanyahu was going to behave a certain way. He can't pull this - oh - you've gone too far! crap at this point in time.

He gave them EVERYTHING they needed and now he's suggesting that they need to pull back. While I think Netanyahu will go to hell for everything he's done to Palestinians, he has always been consistent and nothing he's done has surprised me. And I'm a mere mortal who knows nothing.

I'm disappointed in Biden in so many ways as it relates to this mess because I firmly believe that as a leader, he mismanaged things. Yes, I do have high expectations on the foreign policy front of my President. I expect them not to be dumb as rocks, to have the courage of their convictions, to be semi-educated and to know what the F is going on so they don't contribute to the suffering of human beings even if not American.

I get he has a political responsibility and expectation to support Jewish State and I don't suggest this was an easy thing to navigate but I expected way more out of him.

When people say - oh! He's doing the best he can, what more could he do/have done, he's trying to diplomatically leverage to help the civilians I call BS. He set this all up that is what I have to say. And now he faces a storm on the domestic front. Totally his own damn fault.

Yes - Trump would have supported Israel and I disagree with this entirely but he is very clear in how he feels and there's no back/forth about it. For this, I can at least respect him for it. He's a lot of things but he is consistent!

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

There are also near-daily protests by Israelis in the streets against Netanyahu's government (before and after 10/7). There are deep divisions in Israeli politics, which we should all understand, because we see it in the US too. When Trump or one of his appointees said something stupid, half the country was rightly horrified. Your example would be like holding up: any Trump rally, any quote from MTG, and the Charlottesville marchers, and then saying the US doesn't have the right to exist, because those people are all terrible.

Those are not minor figures and your attempt to minimize who they are is not good.

I'm not minimizing them. I'm comparing them to major political figures in the US. Trump wasn't a minor figure. Neither were Stephen Miller or Rudy Guiliani to name a few prominent people in his inner circle who went out and said/did awful things in the name of our government.

We elected Trump. We bear the responsibility for that as a country (even those of us that voted for someone else). Just like we voted for Biden. And bear the responsibility of his actions (or lack thereof) in Gaza. It is not surprising that some will hate us because of the actions of our elected leaders. Nothing is more certain.

Israelis are likewise responsible for their government. The only people not responsible are the young Palestinians who have not had a chance to choose their leaders in 18 years or so. Those folk didn't get to choose.

This post is assuming the prextext that Israel or the U.S. is doing something wrong. You may think that. That's you.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?

I want the guy who assassinated Shireen to go to prison for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

There are also near-daily protests by Israelis in the streets against Netanyahu's government (before and after 10/7). There are deep divisions in Israeli politics, which we should all understand, because we see it in the US too. When Trump or one of his appointees said something stupid, half the country was rightly horrified. Your example would be like holding up: any Trump rally, any quote from MTG, and the Charlottesville marchers, and then saying the US doesn't have the right to exist, because those people are all terrible.

Those are not minor figures and your attempt to minimize who they are is not good.

I'm not minimizing them. I'm comparing them to major political figures in the US. Trump wasn't a minor figure. Neither were Stephen Miller or Rudy Guiliani to name a few prominent people in his inner circle who went out and said/did awful things in the name of our government.

We elected Trump. We bear the responsibility for that as a country (even those of us that voted for someone else). Just like we voted for Biden. And bear the responsibility of his actions (or lack thereof) in Gaza. It is not surprising that some will hate us because of the actions of our elected leaders. Nothing is more certain.

Israelis are likewise responsible for their government. The only people not responsible are the young Palestinians who have not had a chance to choose their leaders in 18 years or so. Those folk didn't get to choose.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"[/quote]

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too. [/quote]


I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times. [/quote]

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?[/quote]

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?[/quote]

Peace. A real two state solution that puts all this crap to rest.

I know, such a horrendous punishment.[/quote]

Or Palestinians can just admit they have lost every war and move on. Or they can continue to fight wars and lose. They started this current war and are losing, par for the course. Not my problem. Telling me I should care is selfish on their part.[/quote]

They already did at Oslo. This "war" didn't begin in 2023.

Ethnic Cleansing is a crime against humanity. I am tired of caring about Israel's security and making excuses for their war crimes when they clearly don't care about their own security and seemingly want to committ crimes against humanity.[/quote]

Well you have a lot of feelings and preferences. Israel does as well. That is why there is a war going on. Not surprising. You should go help them fight if you care so much.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"[/quote]

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too. [/quote]


I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times. [/quote]

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?[/quote]

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?[/quote]

Peace. A real two state solution that puts all this crap to rest.

I know, such a horrendous punishment.[/quote]

Or Palestinians can just admit they have lost every war and move on. Or they can continue to fight wars and lose. They started this current war and are losing, par for the course. Not my problem. Telling me I should care is selfish on their part.[/quote]

They already did at Oslo. This "war" didn't begin in 2023.

Ethnic Cleansing is a crime against humanity. I am tired of caring about Israel's security and making excuses for their war crimes when they clearly don't care about their own security and seemingly want to committ crimes against humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?

Peace. A real two state solution that puts all this crap to rest.

I know, such a horrendous punishment.

Or Palestinians can just admit they have lost every war and move on. Or they can continue to fight wars and lose. They started this current war and are losing, par for the course. Not my problem. Telling me I should care is selfish on their part.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?

Peace. A real two state solution that puts all this crap to rest.

I know, such a horrendous punishment.

Peace? Violence is a choice. Anyone can be peaceful when they get 100% of what they want. That isn't a virtue. So, let the war continue.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?

Peace. A real two state solution that puts all this crap to rest.

I know, such a horrendous punishment.

Anonymous wrote:For once let's make it a sticky that standing up for Palestinians doesn't mean being pro-Hamas or antisemitic and standing up for Jews doesn't mean being pro-Israel or pro-genocide. No need to derail thread by accusing people of supporting they don't support at all.

The solution that arises from your "standing up" for Palestinians may be anti Semitic. What you want to happen to Israel is more important than statements of I am so sad for the Palestinians. By saying this here you have an agenda so just be up front with your agenda. Your agenda may or may not be anti semitism.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?

What repercussions do you advocate for after this public trial we have all been forced to participate in?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.

Please do tell the repercussions Israel has suffered as a result?

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Anonymous wrote:After violently crushing peaceful student protests, NYU is subjecting said students to reeducation camps in the style of Stalin and Mao.

LMAO…is this satire?

Writing a paper to stay in school = reeducation camp?

They aren’t being forced. They are doing so voluntarily. Actions have consequences, including acts of civil disobedience.

This. And reflection is a great way to take a step back and perhaps gain new insights. Once again, adults behaving like children with this garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

I doubt Israel expected to "get away" with something considering the disproportionate amount of scrutiny on them at all times.