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Anonymous wrote:Long overdue to redraw HHS boundary. Need to take in more Langley kids.

+10000

I know a family that lives in the shadow of Herndon High School and are zoned for Langley, 12 miles away. Ridiculous what these snobs get away with.

OMG. That is not a solution!!!! Whether they are part of HHS or not will not change what the principal or FCPS is doing. By the way, FCPS is aware and is condoning what’s happening.

Anonymous wrote:Habla Espanol ?

WTF? That isn’t the issue.

Anonymous wrote:In Herndon, this year everyone with parents loud enough will get an A. Principal just announced last Monday (a week ago) that anyone can retake any standard without risk of lowering their grade. No deadlines but last day of school. As many retakes as they want. Teachers were notified over email the night before.

Isn’t that what standards based grading should do? You want the students to know the material and prove it.

This issue is that in order to do this, you need more teachers or aides to grade this work. Teachers are in revolt for multiple reasons with Dr. Noto. They do not trust or respect her. There is no consistency in how things are done and it is leaving kids confused.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it fair to Herndon students who actually did learn the material by attending classes and completing assigned work so that they passed the first test and will actually retain the skills. Unlike students who passed version D of the same test, after seeing it three times in a row. It is not fair. Herndon teacher.

The idea is that grading, in general, creates disparity or in more relevant terms inequities. Ultimately, I think proponents of SBG systems and systems like it would prefer no grades at all; it should be about whether the student learned the material. Performance-based evaluation, e.g., who learned what faster or better, is unnecessary.

Of course, this leads to questions about what happens after high school, specifically with college admissions and even the workforce. If everyone is equal, then the sky is limit... lol.

"A new study has found that patients of newly trained doctors tend to have higher survival rates if the doctor scored highly on board certification exams. Tests, it turns out, might not be racist, but actually quite good predictors of competence." - The Free Press, https://hms.harvard.edu/news/resident-physicians-exam-scores-tied-patient-survival?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email (Harvard Medical School)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long overdue to redraw HHS boundary. Need to take in more Langley kids.

+10000

I know a family that lives in the shadow of Herndon High School and are zoned for Langley, 12 miles away. Ridiculous what these snobs get away with.

You’re just jealous

Anonymous wrote:How is it fair to Herndon students who actually did learn the material by attending classes and completing assigned work so that they passed the first test and will actually retain the skills. Unlike students who passed version D of the same test, after seeing it three times in a row. It is not fair. Herndon teacher.

10000. It’s not fair to students, teachers or anyone. The principal wanted to be a renegade and she screwed up, and no one is holding her accountable.

The problem at Herndon isn’t just the standard based grading, it is how it was done in a rushed, unprofessional manner and that the principal is a bully.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long overdue to redraw HHS boundary. Need to take in more Langley kids.

+10000

I know a family that lives in the shadow of Herndon High School and are zoned for Langley, 12 miles away. Ridiculous what these snobs get away with.

12 miles which is an hour commute down Georgetown Pike or Rt -7. Ridiculous.

I do that Georgetown Pike commute frequently, and it’s never taken more than half an hour. You are just straight up lying here.

You ladies just try to hack every discussion thread with this redistricting nonsense. It’s so transparent and off-putting.

The Dranesville School Board member, who lives in Herndon, is sending out newsletters to families about her plans to “operationalize” a revised SB policy for boundary changes. Of course people wonder what she has in mind.

There is an 80-page recent DCUM thread on this.

And those ladies ain’t wondering, they are advocating redistricting and lying to try to confuse people about the actual commute times, when they are nowhere near that long, unless an accident closes Georgetown pike.

They don’t actually care about commute times though.

Anonymous wrote:How is it fair to Herndon students who actually did learn the material by attending classes and completing assigned work so that they passed the first test and will actually retain the skills. Unlike students who passed version D of the same test, after seeing it three times in a row. It is not fair. Herndon teacher.

The idea is that grading, in general, creates disparity or in more relevant terms inequities. Ultimately, I think proponents of SBG systems and systems like it would prefer no grades at all; it should be about whether the student learned the material. Performance-based evaluation, e.g., who learned what faster or better, is unnecessary.

Of course, this leads to questions about what happens after high school, specifically with college admissions and even the workforce. If everyone is equal, then the sky is limit... lol.

How is it fair to Herndon students who actually did learn the material by attending classes and completing assigned work so that they passed the first test and will actually retain the skills. Unlike students who passed version D of the same test, after seeing it three times in a row. It is not fair. Herndon teacher.

So everyone at Herndon is now going to have an unweighted 4.0? How is this fair to the other fcps high school students?

My understanding is that Rick Wormeli who has spearheaded standards-based grading in the county actually taught at Herndon High School and lives in Herndon. If it doesn't work at his own school, then can we finally admit it's a failure? He seems like such a one trick pony in teaching pushing this one strategy over all others maybe because he was overlooked for senior management and wanted to make a name for himself? It is strange.

As an example now that they can grade by standards, only 1/4 of the assignments that used to be graded are graded in a class and they pretend that there are enough grades by breaking up the grading of this one assignment into standards. This is what is meant by eliminating other tasks. Now kids only get graded and feedback on 1/4 of the assignments simply to prove that the standards are being taught and graded. Before of course they were as well. It's just an unnecessary admin tasks to break everything up into standards and since it's extra work that means less grading of other work to even out the workload.

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Anonymous wrote:In Herndon, this year everyone with parents loud enough will get an A. Principal just announced last Monday (a week ago) that anyone can retake any standard without risk of lowering their grade. No deadlines but last day of school. As many retakes as they want. Teachers were notified over email the night before.

Will these loud parents be taking the retakes? I don’t get how the parents have anything to do with the grade.

Loud parents made this ridiculous development happen. That is how.

Good for them. SBG is a disgrace. The teachers should have rallied with the parents.

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It is not SBG that is bad, it is how it had been implemented in FCPS schools. What had been done in Herndon is really bad.

No it's just bad. The guy around here who promotes it specifically says it's to ensure that teachers teach what they should be teaching and grades reflect this. There are other methods that track standards and grading regularity. This program has so many other fails and even if yes we want teachers to teach and grade appropriately, it's always going to be a headache to add on and create loopholes as a result for other things to fall through the cracks. Teachers are not willing to take on more work just to dot Is and Cross T's that they are teaching and grading to standards. They will compensate by removing other important instruction and tasks.

I’m a Herndon parent and turmoil is an understatement. Liz is a bully who gets off on making parents upset. In the fall she told a roomful of parents that she was implementing SBG to help with Herndon’s attendance issues. All parents questioned how the two are related but she told us to trust her. Teachers didn’t receive any training whatsoever and students grades dropped immediately. All year parents tried to address these issues with Liz and she ignored them. Finally this spring parents got together to call her out and she flat out lied saying she never said it was about attendance. She made the parents the enemy and the teachers who are so desperate for leadership believed her. Now it’s teachers against admin against parents and the students are miserable. FCPS should have stepped in long ago to deal with the state of affairs but per usual they turned a blind eye.