Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 16:43     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
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Anonymous wrote:If you want to really enlighten her, have her demand a hearing and then go and see what a complete crock of nonsense the “process” really is, ostensibly justified by the relatively small amount involved in each machine-driven ticket while ignoring the truckloads of money collected for the camera company and .gov.


Actually, if you want to get the ticket dropped, go this route.

I was in traffic court as a witness last month and each person who showed up instead of simply paying the fine got their ticket/charge either fully dropped or reduced down in terms of fine amount and points.

I'd never been to court before and I found it pretty interesting. Each person who came, waited their turn, and pleaded guilty, had their points and fine reduced by the judge. Many fully had their tickets thrown out altogether (speeding, failure to yield, no insurance, no registration, driving without a license - are a few I remember).


I was going to post this too. We went to traffic court a few years ago and there was a long line of people who plead guilty to a right on red violation and got the fines reduced or thrown out completely after they plead guilty. I was surprised and will go to court from now on if given the opportunity.


It depends on the jurisdiction. In DC camera tickets go to ad administrative hearing office where they are statutorily deemed prima facie evidence with no more support than the production of the image of a signed maintenance statement for the relevant equipment. No live witnesses. No confrontation. And the “examiners” do not all seem to comprehend that presumptions are rebuttable. Even better, if you don’t like the result, you have to file a request for reconsideration first, so that the original person has a roadmap to correct their evidentiary mistakes by filling in the holes you found.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 16:02     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you want to really enlighten her, have her demand a hearing and then go and see what a complete crock of nonsense the “process” really is, ostensibly justified by the relatively small amount involved in each machine-driven ticket while ignoring the truckloads of money collected for the camera company and .gov.


Actually, if you want to get the ticket dropped, go this route.

I was in traffic court as a witness last month and each person who showed up instead of simply paying the fine got their ticket/charge either fully dropped or reduced down in terms of fine amount and points.

I'd never been to court before and I found it pretty interesting. Each person who came, waited their turn, and pleaded guilty, had their points and fine reduced by the judge. Many fully had their tickets thrown out altogether (speeding, failure to yield, no insurance, no registration, driving without a license - are a few I remember).


I was going to post this too. We went to traffic court a few years ago and there was a long line of people who plead guilty to a right on red violation and got the fines reduced or thrown out completely after they plead guilty. I was surprised and will go to court from now on if given the opportunity.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 15:07     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Anonymous wrote:My daughter was driving on the day question, she didn't come to a "Full stop" when she turning right on red... The ticket is $50 and we making pay for it and told her to wait longer when making a right on red turn anything else?



$50 sounds low. Are youin thr Dc area?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 15:06     Subject: Re:How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Did she get the camera ticket in the state you live in? If it was in DC and you live in MD or VA, you don't need to pay because there's no reciprocity agreement, and therefore no enforcement or penalty.
https://www.npr.org/local/305/2022/02/10/1079852604/maryland-lawmakers-pitch-bill-to-hold-drivers-accountable-across-state-lines
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 15:04     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Anonymous wrote:If you want to really enlighten her, have her demand a hearing and then go and see what a complete crock of nonsense the “process” really is, ostensibly justified by the relatively small amount involved in each machine-driven ticket while ignoring the truckloads of money collected for the camera company and .gov.


Actually, if you want to get the ticket dropped, go this route.

I was in traffic court as a witness last month and each person who showed up instead of simply paying the fine got their ticket/charge either fully dropped or reduced down in terms of fine amount and points.

I'd never been to court before and I found it pretty interesting. Each person who came, waited their turn, and pleaded guilty, had their points and fine reduced by the judge. Many fully had their tickets thrown out altogether (speeding, failure to yield, no insurance, no registration, driving without a license - are a few I remember).
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 14:36     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
She should’ve stopped. All of us should at red lights. Were you with her? Maybe she blew through it, maybe not.

Chock it up to a lesson for which she pays $50 and move on with your life.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 14:14     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
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Anonymous wrote:My kids lose their license for the number of days equal to the cost of the tickets. So here, she’d lose her license 50 days and pay the fine. So far each of my kids have gotten either 1 or no tickets. Seems to work.


This seems overly harsh. After I read your first sentence I was thinking a punishment of 5 days, which I felt was reasonable. 50 days seems over the top.

Less than 2 months punishment for running a red light is too harsh to you? Driving is a privilege, not a right, and breaking the law and earning a ticket absolutely means losing that privilege. 5 days is nothing. Clearly pps kids actually learn from this, unlike the kids/teens that are continually getting tickets/accidents and risking other peoples lives on the road.

Ummm slowly rolling right on a red is not “ running a red light” . Good grief calm down. Running a red light would be blowing thru at a high rate of speed. Hence the word running.


When I was teaching my kids to drive and gave the full 3 second stop at stops signs...I was often honked at!


Yes, but the police don't care. You have to choose who to listen to.


The police? Are pulling someone over and giving them a ticket because they think you didn't stop long enough on a legal right turn on red?

There is a reason it is a red light camera ticket.


If they are there to see you, yes they'll pull you over. Why wouldn't they? It's easy money. You won't win if you try to fight it.


I seriously doubt it. You are now accusing the police of being abusive of power, which 99.9% are not. Sure, if you have CA license plates and you do this driving in TX...I see that kind of nonsense.

Again, you didn't drive through a stop sign or run a red light or speed...or do anything for which a cop will pull you over. On your basis, the cops will just pull you over because they feel like it and will give you tickets.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:38     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
I think this situation is much different than running a red light. I think having her pay the fine is enough.

Other than a camera at Nebraska Ave, I didn’t even know this was a thing. Where else has this happened? One poster mentioned in Rockville. I’m sure I have done this after making sure no one is the crosswalk. Seems like a revenue builder like the countless speed cameras on Connecticut Ave.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:23     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
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Anonymous wrote:My kids lose their license for the number of days equal to the cost of the tickets. So here, she’d lose her license 50 days and pay the fine. So far each of my kids have gotten either 1 or no tickets. Seems to work.


This seems overly harsh. After I read your first sentence I was thinking a punishment of 5 days, which I felt was reasonable. 50 days seems over the top.

Less than 2 months punishment for running a red light is too harsh to you? Driving is a privilege, not a right, and breaking the law and earning a ticket absolutely means losing that privilege. 5 days is nothing. Clearly pps kids actually learn from this, unlike the kids/teens that are continually getting tickets/accidents and risking other peoples lives on the road.

Ummm slowly rolling right on a red is not “ running a red light” . Good grief calm down. Running a red light would be blowing thru at a high rate of speed. Hence the word running.


When I was teaching my kids to drive and gave the full 3 second stop at stops signs...I was often honked at!


Yes, but the police don't care. You have to choose who to listen to.


The police? Are pulling someone over and giving them a ticket because they think you didn't stop long enough on a legal right turn on red?

There is a reason it is a red light camera ticket.


If they are there to see you, yes they'll pull you over. Why wouldn't they? It's easy money. You won't win if you try to fight it.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:17     Subject: Re:How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, she needs to stop fully. Rolling stops don't fully account for pedestrians even though lots of drivers think they do.

Guarantee that hitting someone will ruin her day. Train her and yourself to stop fully.


+1 Also remind her to look left for cars, and to look right for bikes and pedestrians in the crosswalk.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:15     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
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Anonymous wrote:My kids lose their license for the number of days equal to the cost of the tickets. So here, she’d lose her license 50 days and pay the fine. So far each of my kids have gotten either 1 or no tickets. Seems to work.


This seems overly harsh. After I read your first sentence I was thinking a punishment of 5 days, which I felt was reasonable. 50 days seems over the top.

Less than 2 months punishment for running a red light is too harsh to you? Driving is a privilege, not a right, and breaking the law and earning a ticket absolutely means losing that privilege. 5 days is nothing. Clearly pps kids actually learn from this, unlike the kids/teens that are continually getting tickets/accidents and risking other peoples lives on the road.

Ummm slowly rolling right on a red is not “ running a red light” . Good grief calm down. Running a red light would be blowing thru at a high rate of speed. Hence the word running.


When I was teaching my kids to drive and gave the full 3 second stop at stops signs...I was often honked at!


Yes, but the police don't care. You have to choose who to listen to.


The police? Are pulling someone over and giving them a ticket because they think you didn't stop long enough on a legal right turn on red?

There is a reason it is a red light camera ticket.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:08     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
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Anonymous wrote:My kids lose their license for the number of days equal to the cost of the tickets. So here, she’d lose her license 50 days and pay the fine. So far each of my kids have gotten either 1 or no tickets. Seems to work.


This seems overly harsh. After I read your first sentence I was thinking a punishment of 5 days, which I felt was reasonable. 50 days seems over the top.

Less than 2 months punishment for running a red light is too harsh to you? Driving is a privilege, not a right, and breaking the law and earning a ticket absolutely means losing that privilege. 5 days is nothing. Clearly pps kids actually learn from this, unlike the kids/teens that are continually getting tickets/accidents and risking other peoples lives on the road.

Ummm slowly rolling right on a red is not “ running a red light” . Good grief calm down. Running a red light would be blowing thru at a high rate of speed. Hence the word running.


When I was teaching my kids to drive and gave the full 3 second stop at stops signs...I was often honked at!


Yes, but the police don't care. You have to choose who to listen to.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:05     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Pay the fine and be more careful. She knows to stop fully and then move forward, right?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 13:01     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids lose their license for the number of days equal to the cost of the tickets. So here, she’d lose her license 50 days and pay the fine. So far each of my kids have gotten either 1 or no tickets. Seems to work.


This seems overly harsh. After I read your first sentence I was thinking a punishment of 5 days, which I felt was reasonable. 50 days seems over the top.

Less than 2 months punishment for running a red light is too harsh to you? Driving is a privilege, not a right, and breaking the law and earning a ticket absolutely means losing that privilege. 5 days is nothing. Clearly pps kids actually learn from this, unlike the kids/teens that are continually getting tickets/accidents and risking other peoples lives on the road.

Ummm slowly rolling right on a red is not “ running a red light” . Good grief calm down. Running a red light would be blowing thru at a high rate of speed. Hence the word running.


Hopefully you're a troll, but yes it counts as running a light off you didn't stop.

Op, if do exactly what you suggested plus go out driving together a few times to practice making sure she was behind the stop line. Practice at a variety of intersections, both drop signs and stop lights

So many people stop beyond the stop line that she may not even realize that the front of the car is over or that it's a problem to do it that way. At some intersections this means coming to a complete stop behind the line and then incoming forward to see incoming traffic or pedestrians better before driving forward.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2024 12:55     Subject: How do you deal with a red light camera ticket?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My kids lose their license for the number of days equal to the cost of the tickets. So here, she’d lose her license 50 days and pay the fine. So far each of my kids have gotten either 1 or no tickets. Seems to work.


This seems overly harsh. After I read your first sentence I was thinking a punishment of 5 days, which I felt was reasonable. 50 days seems over the top.

Less than 2 months punishment for running a red light is too harsh to you? Driving is a privilege, not a right, and breaking the law and earning a ticket absolutely means losing that privilege. 5 days is nothing. Clearly pps kids actually learn from this, unlike the kids/teens that are continually getting tickets/accidents and risking other peoples lives on the road.

Ummm slowly rolling right on a red is not “ running a red light” . Good grief calm down. Running a red light would be blowing thru at a high rate of speed. Hence the word running.


When I was teaching my kids to drive and gave the full 3 second stop at stops signs...I was often honked at!