Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:46     Subject: Why are people Republican?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. How did they get so broken that they want to hurt others so much?


I like guns and hate big government simple as


What specifically do you not like about big goverment? What aspect of government would you like to see reduced or what specific programs would you like to see eliminated? Just to say "I don't like big government" doesn't really answer the question.

On guns, are you good with mentally ill and former felons obtaining guns, or should there be some aspect of control? For law abiding people such as yourself, there are basically no limits on guns and no serious proposals to limit your right to own and operate guns.


Government spending as % of GDP is now close to 40% in the US and 50%+ in western europe, it has been <5% for most of history, we have a state that is larger than in previous world wars. I want to see that brought down to a more reasonable level of say 15%.

We have various firearm laws in existence, including against felons or the mentally ill. I want to see Bruen actually being exercised by the state and AWBs being abolished locally. I also want SBRs/Suppressors off the NFA, and machine guns to be registerable again.



But…why?
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:46     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.


But how do Republican policies help them?


Tighter immigration will mean less competition for American labor. Companies will need to pay higher wages to American workers.

Taxes and tariffs for trade partners will eventually make it more economical for goods to be produced in America, leading companies to invest in domestic manufacturing.

Lower taxes - working class people keep control of more of theirnown income.

I think for the global economy as a whole, tighter immigration and tariffs will hurt companies and lead to a major loss of wealth for upper class and middle upper class. Everyone will be poorer, probably, but we will have a more even distribution of the wealth that remains.


Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:45     Subject: Why are people Republican?
A part of it is people like you, OP. The whole superiority complex of the left rubs a lot of people the wrong way. The whole movement to defund the police, no consequences for committing crimes, and the lawlessness that has come with it, is unacceptable for many.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:45     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.


But how do Republican policies help them?


Trump's protectionism has helped workers all over the country - admittedly, his protectionism is a relic of the 80s, but even today can be sold as being in the interest of national security, which is a Republican concern rather than Democrat.


How? The Republican party is generally not supportive of raising minimum wages, and while they do give lip service to closing borders and stopping immigration (both legal and illegal), they are not punitive of corporations (including Trump organizations) that employ the illegal immigrants, which is why they come here in the first place.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:44     Subject: Why are people Republican?
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Anonymous wrote:Why phrase it like that if you want actually interesting answers and dialogue?


Are there any interesting answers?


Not on this thread, there won't be. You get what you give.


Seriously. If you are interested in how people on the opposite aisle think and operate, then ask good faith questions instead of…whatever this post was.


I’m not as interested in what they think, which is obvious, but why they think that way. How did they end up so broken?


So convincing. I’ll now reconsider my world view!


I’m not trying to convince anyone. I just don’t get it.


If you don’t get it and want to get it, then ask real questions. Don’t be snarky and say things like “how did they end up so broken” which will provide you with exactly zero input.


What is the right question to understand why someone is a Republican in 2024?


See 11:25. Or simply find the majority of Americans right now, who are leaning Trump not Biden. Find one of them and ask how Biden lost their confidence over the last four years.


That comment doesn’t explain WHY that people doesn’t think women should have basic human rights. Etc.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:43     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.


But how do Republican policies help them?


Trump's protectionism has helped workers all over the country - admittedly, his protectionism is a relic of the 80s, but even today can be sold as being in the interest of national security, which is a Republican concern rather than Democrat.


I disagree. I think our issues with China, coupled with internal challenges in China, with a heaping problem with supply chains from the pandemic has made America re-industrialize and bring jobs back from China with Biden’s CHIPS act.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:42     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. How did they get so broken that they want to hurt others so much?


I like guns and hate big government simple as


What specifically do you not like about big goverment? What aspect of government would you like to see reduced or what specific programs would you like to see eliminated? Just to say "I don't like big government" doesn't really answer the question.

On guns, are you good with mentally ill and former felons obtaining guns, or should there be some aspect of control? For law abiding people such as yourself, there are basically no limits on guns and no serious proposals to limit your right to own and operate guns.


Government spending as % of GDP is now close to 40% in the US and 50%+ in western europe, it has been <5% for most of history, we have a state that is larger than in previous world wars. I want to see that brought down to a more reasonable level of say 15%.

We have various firearm laws in existence, including against felons or the mentally ill. I want to see Bruen actually being exercised by the state and AWBs being abolished locally. I also want SBRs/Suppressors off the NFA, and machine guns to be registerable again.


What programs should be cut in order to do so?
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:40     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Because when the Democrats get put in charge of anything important, they screw it up. Look at the border. Look at Chicago, Baltimore, and Detroit. Look at Afghanistan. Look at our schools.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:40     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.



Then why are they so supportive of capitalism? Free markets want cheap labor because increasing profits is what capitalism is all about. I don’t understand why you blame liberals for this phenomenon.


DP. Democrats were supposed to be the party of the little guy and they are not anymore. Did they cause the downfall of the little guy? No, no more than Republicans did. But they didn't help and they are not trying to help today.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:39     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.


But how do Republican policies help them?


Trump's protectionism has helped workers all over the country - admittedly, his protectionism is a relic of the 80s, but even today can be sold as being in the interest of national security, which is a Republican concern rather than Democrat.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:39     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.



Then why are they so supportive of capitalism? Free markets want cheap labor because increasing profits is what capitalism is all about. I don’t understand why you blame liberals for this phenomenon.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:37     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.


But how do Republican policies help them?
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:36     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. How did they get so broken that they want to hurt others so much?


I like guns and hate big government simple as


What specifically do you not like about big goverment? What aspect of government would you like to see reduced or what specific programs would you like to see eliminated? Just to say "I don't like big government" doesn't really answer the question.

On guns, are you good with mentally ill and former felons obtaining guns, or should there be some aspect of control? For law abiding people such as yourself, there are basically no limits on guns and no serious proposals to limit your right to own and operate guns.


Government spending as % of GDP is now close to 40% in the US and 50%+ in western europe, it has been <5% for most of history, we have a state that is larger than in previous world wars. I want to see that brought down to a more reasonable level of say 15%.

We have various firearm laws in existence, including against felons or the mentally ill. I want to see Bruen actually being exercised by the state and AWBs being abolished locally. I also want SBRs/Suppressors off the NFA, and machine guns to be registerable again.



Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:30     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Assuming you are asking in good faith, globalization of the economy has been great for many Americans, leading to cheaper goods and high paying jobs for elite, knowledge-based industries.

Shipping manufacturing overseas and importing cheap labor from other countries has hurt the Americans who used to be able to support a family on blue collar jobs. We went from having a strong, sufficient lower middle class to being stratified between high income cities and leafy coastal suburbs and hollowed out, opioid-addicted, zero job inner cities and small towns.

Yes, those people can take their government checks to buy cheap imports from China at Walmart, but that doesn't replace the communities and jobs they have lost.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2024 11:30     Subject: Why are people Republican?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Why phrase it like that if you want actually interesting answers and dialogue?


Are there any interesting answers?


Not on this thread, there won't be. You get what you give.


Seriously. If you are interested in how people on the opposite aisle think and operate, then ask good faith questions instead of…whatever this post was.


I’m not as interested in what they think, which is obvious, but why they think that way. How did they end up so broken?


So convincing. I’ll now reconsider my world view!


I’m not trying to convince anyone. I just don’t get it.


If you don’t get it and want to get it, then ask real questions. Don’t be snarky and say things like “how did they end up so broken” which will provide you with exactly zero input.


What is the right question to understand why someone is a Republican in 2024?


See 11:25. Or simply find the majority of Americans right now, who are leaning Trump not Biden. Find one of them and ask how Biden lost their confidence over the last four years.