If Michigan in-state, UMich.

If money is not a factor, BC.

Anonymous wrote:Did BC offer 4 years of housing. They only do that for the top 10% of admits.

I don't know about that. My child was at the top 10 percent of admits and they do not have 4 years of housing.

It is actually more based on financial aid. Kids receiving aid need 4 years of housing because living off campus is more expensive.

Anonymous wrote:Which would you choose for a liberal arts degree (English or History) followed by law school?

BC hands down

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Anonymous wrote:We just toured BC and it's very very suburban white kid vibe. I mean, felt even more than it was in the 90s when I was a very suburban white kid!

I like Jesuits, but a little diversity of thought would be good. And that can't only come from the top. The student population should be a little more diverse, and not just racially. It's unusual to be on a college campus now without seeing a more gender fluid, international, artsy, etc kids. But you don't see that at BC.

I'd maybe go with Michigan. I think a kid would grow more there.

The last 2 weeks should make you think hard about the downside of having a vibrant & diverse student body. Ideally, diverse groups socialize & learn from each other. When administrators are so weak that they allow diversity to devolve into threats, disruptions, and chaos, the ROI of diversity is sub-optimal.

That's right, when topics get heated retreat to a bubble of white people.

It’s naive to think that simply making a college diverse necessarily makes it better. Researchers like Marta Tienda & Zak Foste have dug beneath the surface & found that diversity—like most other things—only produces the desired results if it is managed correctly. And as we have seen, not all college leaders are up to that challenge.

If it’s not managed correctly, different groups do not intermingle and they can actually get MORE estranged and polarized. Think different groups in different dorms, or eating at different tables in a dining hall. And in the more extreme recent cases, failure to manage diversity can lead to harassment, canceling classes, & canceling commencement ceremonies.

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Anonymous wrote:Really? One is 9k undergraduates, Jesuit in Boston. The other is 33k undergrads.

I had no relationships with Amy professors at UM. My sibling at a smaller college is still in touch with several professors who helped tremendously with career and internships.

I had relationships that extended after college with my professors. I went to a giant state university. Perhaps you didn’t have any because you never made an effort to.

NP. Why would you say something nasty like that?

Your first two sentences were of course on point - a reminder that different people have different experiences in college, even those who go to the same “type” of college.

But there’s ZERO reason to then add an extra sentence making negative assumptions about a stranger. I just don’t get that part at all.

Two different experiences but there isn't a better alumni network than Michigan. Both are great "college towns" though obviously in different ways.

No bad option.

Anonymous wrote:As others have said, they will be very different college experiences and that, as much as anything else, should help your kid chose.

Being from Boston and attending Michigan, I didn't think about how much I would miss skiing, hiking, and the outdoorsy stuff we did as HS kids that wasn't common in Michigan. That stuff was probably there but as a young adult I just followed a path of greek life and found friends that way. Which was fine too.

There is skiing in Michigan. A shame you didn't make it up there.

BC

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Anonymous wrote:Did they get merit at either one?

No.

Then neither. No school is worth 80K.

BC is at $93k all in.

Even crazier. You’re not getting anything there that would couldn’t get for much much cheaper elsewhere. You’re just not.

DP I think it depends. If a kid goes to BC and leverages the heck out the alumni network which is very strong, and the name, they are going to get a lot more out it than say going to SUNY Binghamton. But yeah, if a kid is going to college aimless and apathetic, the ROI is not going to be there.

Anonymous wrote:We just toured BC and it's very very suburban white kid vibe. I mean, felt even more than it was in the 90s when I was a very suburban white kid!

I like Jesuits, but a little diversity of thought would be good. And that can't only come from the top. The student population should be a little more diverse, and not just racially. It's unusual to be on a college campus now without seeing a more gender fluid, international, artsy, etc kids. But you don't see that at BC.

I'd maybe go with Michigan. I think a kid would grow more there.

My kid isn’t white and loved the BC tour.
$93k is a hard no, but at least it provided a template for what type of campus they may like.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they get merit at either one?

No.

Then neither. No school is worth 80K.

BC is at $93k all in.

Frankly, most of the top privates are now $84-89k all in. Sigh.

Kid is headed to a different Jesuit and it is going to be $88k next year.

and to really make your sick to your stomach...these same schools were around $47k all-in in 2014. The pace at which tuition increased is crazy. There used to not be such a huge split in cost between our in-state flagship and, say Georgetown ($29k and $47k)...now the split is $87k and $38k.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they get merit at either one?

No.

Then neither. No school is worth 80K.

BC is at $93k all in.

Frankly, most of the top privates are now $84-89k all in. Sigh.

Kid is headed to a different Jesuit and it is going to be $88k next year.

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Anonymous wrote:We just toured BC and it's very very suburban white kid vibe. I mean, felt even more than it was in the 90s when I was a very suburban white kid!

I like Jesuits, but a little diversity of thought would be good. And that can't only come from the top. The student population should be a little more diverse, and not just racially. It's unusual to be on a college campus now without seeing a more gender fluid, international, artsy, etc kids. But you don't see that at BC.

I'd maybe go with Michigan. I think a kid would grow more there.

The last 2 weeks should make you think hard about the downside of having a vibrant & diverse student body. Ideally, diverse groups socialize & learn from each other. When administrators are so weak that they allow diversity to devolve into threats, disruptions, and chaos, the ROI of diversity is sub-optimal.

do you have news to share about Michigan? because I think they've done a fine job allowing a vibrant and diverse group socialize and learn from each other, even during the last few weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they get merit at either one?

No.

Then neither. No school is worth 80K.

BC is at $93k all in.

Even crazier. You’re not getting anything there that would couldn’t get for much much cheaper elsewhere. You’re just not.

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Anonymous wrote:We just toured BC and it's very very suburban white kid vibe. I mean, felt even more than it was in the 90s when I was a very suburban white kid!

I like Jesuits, but a little diversity of thought would be good. And that can't only come from the top. The student population should be a little more diverse, and not just racially. It's unusual to be on a college campus now without seeing a more gender fluid, international, artsy, etc kids. But you don't see that at BC.

I'd maybe go with Michigan. I think a kid would grow more there.

The last 2 weeks should make you think hard about the downside of having a vibrant & diverse student body. Ideally, diverse groups socialize & learn from each other. When administrators are so weak that they allow diversity to devolve into threats, disruptions, and chaos, the ROI of diversity is sub-optimal.

Well.. MIT has about 11K kids and they also allowed "diversity to evolve into threats". May not have happened at BC but could have gone either way. It's all about the issue. Had this been an issue that Zionists (and their lapdogs in congress) didn't care about, every school in a big city would have been a mess including the Jesuit schools. Kids are gullible and easily manipulated by outside forces as we are seeing with the extensive outside groups' involvement in these protests.

BTW, my kid at UM has had no issues with any of his classes, exams or interactions with these groups. He just avoided the diag., interacting with protestors and went about his activities without impacting his lifestyle. Had he gone to one of his other choices (a private school in a big city) things would have been different.. You just never know.