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Anonymous wrote:Trans-men are men. It’s not hard.

And doping is not allowed in sports. It's not hard.

By that attitude a kid taking testosterone couldn’t be on either gendered team right?

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A male (traditional) cannot take testosterone except in medically required circumstances. I know of a competitor (i was a national class track guy) who took it an other banned drugs as a result of cancer.

If a female to male athlete takes it, it is (see Caster Semenya) all about the levels of testosterone taken. But testosterone is far from the only advantage males have. High center of gravity, better strength and power and so on. i always chuckle at some who argue with this. In ninth grade, before I completed puberty (i was a late bloomer), at 5"2 105 pounds i ran a 9 minute two mile. The women's world record at time was 9:20. In fact, as an undeveloped freshman, I would have held every woman's record in my events had I transtioned as a female. Even with hormones - I still would have been plenty fast - I was strong and could do 50 chinups. Just being a a guy gave me advantagesn over women - and yes I ran against Mary Decker the best of the best in a silly all comers meet when were both 13. I think to deny them is folly - although i wish trans people well. By the way, I think Semenya was treated poorly by her own association and think she is accordingly stuck in a difficult situation (an intersex athlete --not without its health hazards and she was not looked after properly).

The shoe to drop is with the high jump. Yes, you have to have power, but the high male center of gravity really helps. If a 7 five male high jumper transitions (7 five is good but not great), especially with the flop technique, she likely would still jump 7 foot 2. The women's world record is six ten and has not been broken in nearly 30 years - an Eastern Bloc drug record. So most big competitions are won today at 6 seven or so - a tremendous mark and the women's high jump is one of he most watched events at the Olympics. Sex appeal plays a part - the current world champ and the recently retired Olympic champ are frankly elegant, graceful and beautiful athletes - ironically from Ukraine and Russia. Both are massive celebrities in their countries, as was Blanca Vlasic, a Croatian world champ who was a top flight model five years ago. Throw a power oriented 7 2 jumper into the mix - and things like a shorter run-up with less reliance on speed and timing will be obvious, and the people in the sport will deem it cheating all the way around. A transitioned athlete at this level would start jumping - her opening height - after the other competitors have topped out. Don't shoot the messenger. There is a reason Lord Coe, head of the IAAF, has implemented policies which restrict male to female transitioners. Note a 7 2 jumper can make a very good college team, but won't succeed in the mens meets. Take these observations as you will.

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

I would say regarding sports, most schools will push the transgendered child to the team they identify as.

As someone whose daughter went through gender questioning, I would be hesitant to put my child on T until they know for sure (or can articulate) they are male or NB. I'm sure you didn't include that, but working with your school, counselor, and doctor are the best ways to work through this.

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

Sports question? What about the T question? Why take T if the kid doesn’t even believe they are male?

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been covered before but a quick search didn't bring up an answer.
We are discussing my teenager starting testosterone over the summer. They play a high school sport on the girls team in Maryland that they really enjoy and I'm trying to find out if going on testosterone will disqualify them from the girls team. Is there a tipping point in dosing? We are just beginning the conversation and this is something that they brought up to me as something they might have to give up.

Honestly, the right thing to do is to be bad enough at the sport on competition day that no one cares.

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Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

This is the reality.

They should base the mandate on current sexual organs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trans-men are men. It’s not hard.

And doping is not allowed in sports. It's not hard.

By that attitude a kid taking testosterone couldn’t be on either gendered team right?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sure they will. They will be on T. They may be on a dose of T higher than some of the cis males are making naturally.

My relative started the transition earlier than in high school, but he has never had any issues making various boy's teams.

+1 A lot of people here are commenting based on stereotypes of trans people while they quite obviously have no experience.

There are some national athletic associations that have explicit rules about this. I'm not sure if MCPS or any other school districts have anything similar, but this may be helpful guidance.

USA Hockey's Transgender Athletic Eligibility Policy states:

A transgender male (FTM athlete) may continue to play Girls Recreational Hockey or Girls
Competitive Hockey so long as the athlete has not begun testosterone hormone therapy related
to gender transition. A FTM athlete that has begun testosterone hormone therapy related to
gender transition shall be considered a male athlete and eligible only for the hockey
classifications not restricted by gender.

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Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

Is this a sport where the team doesn’t compete and play any other teams? Are the other teams all
Coed?

I appreciate your post but I'm not here to get advice on the topic of medicating them.

If no one knows the answer to the specific question about high school sports eligibility, I'll ask the admin take this down or have it moved to politics.
With the exception of a few posters, I'm a little dismayed that this sub forum is as unhelpful as most of the others.

I found this through google but absolutely ask anyway. There's a few very outspoken transphobic people on this board that give their opinions as though they're facts on things like this. I doubt most of them even live in Montgomery County and they almost certainly don't have kids in sports playing against your child. What I'm saying is to ignore them.

If I'm reading this correctly, trans people can play on whatever team they want. It makes no mention of hormone testing and I doubt that would matter in high school sports.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/lgbtq/mcps-athletics-lgbtq-one-pager.rtm.pdf

Per MPSSAA guidance and to ensure competitive fairness, the integrity of women’s sports, and equal
opportunities to participate without discrimination, transgender and gender nonconforming students in MCPS
shall be permitted to participate on the interscholastic athletics team of—
the student’s sex assigned at birth; or
the gender to which the student has transitioned; or
the student’s asserted gender identity.

Thank you, I did find that but noted it didn't talk about hormones. I didn't know how likely it is for them to do testing but now that you say that I bet they wouldn't for a Bad New Bears level team.
I don't live in MoCo but hopefully this applies to our school system as well. They have a liberal LGBTQI+ policy in general so hopefully we are good.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

Is this a sport where the team doesn’t compete and play any other teams? Are the other teams all
Coed?

I appreciate your post but I'm not here to get advice on the topic of medicating them.

If no one knows the answer to the specific question about high school sports eligibility, I'll ask the admin take this down or have it moved to politics.
With the exception of a few posters, I'm a little dismayed that this sub forum is as unhelpful as most of the others.

I found this through google but absolutely ask anyway. There's a few very outspoken transphobic people on this board that give their opinions as though they're facts on things like this. I doubt most of them even live in Montgomery County and they almost certainly don't have kids in sports playing against your child. What I'm saying is to ignore them.

If I'm reading this correctly, trans people can play on whatever team they want. It makes no mention of hormone testing and I doubt that would matter in high school sports.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/lgbtq/mcps-athletics-lgbtq-one-pager.rtm.pdf

Per MPSSAA guidance and to ensure competitive fairness, the integrity of women’s sports, and equal
opportunities to participate without discrimination, transgender and gender nonconforming students in MCPS
shall be permitted to participate on the interscholastic athletics team of—
the student’s sex assigned at birth; or
the gender to which the student has transitioned; or
the student’s asserted gender identity.