Anonymous wrote:Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.

Someone in her 70s now was growing up in a time when women couldn’t have credit cards in their own names or bank accounts without the signature of male relatives.

A woman now has an equal or better chance of being financially stable in her old age as a man. She certainly won’t be childless without one unless she chooses to be. The idea of an old maid living in poverty, a burden on relatives, is an anachronism.

Anonymous wrote:Every political movement is about acquiring as much power as possible. There is no movement that goes 'lets acquire as much power as possible and then back off a little bit'. Even if it intended to when it started.

I don’t think there is a more nakedly explicit power grab than the so-called 4B movement. “We will end sexual reproduction and thereby civilization as we know it unless our demands are met” is INSANE!

Every political movement is about acquiring as much power as possible. There is no movement that goes 'lets acquire as much power as possible and then back off a little bit'. Even if it intended to when it started.

The reason you see this huge push on the right to take away freedoms is because once women realize they don't need a man Republican men or having a very hard time finding anyone to marry.... There really isn't a plus.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.

Feminism is not the opposite of being a slave to a selfish, needy male.

It’s equality. Equal opportunity in education, jobs, voting, rule of law.

There has ALWAYS been equality of life habits and homelife and parenting.

Males and Females choose every day to clean up after themselves, teach your kids something, call a friend or family member, make a meal for others, etc. Or not. One can also choose to leave a mess, ignore their kids, never socialize, and whine about how they’re hungry all the time.

Feminism was never about equality; it has always been about supremacy.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of men are really selfish and self centered, and it's only gotten worse for the younger demographic, with the Andrew Tates and manosphere drones. Women are hearing the way men now openly speak about women online, and realizing that the Disney fairytales are just that... mostly fairytales written by women. And their interest is waning, which is only logical. Women were always the "prizes" in the relationship, which is why men would woo women, buy them rings, etc. Now men expect women to go 50/50 with everything and do hardly any household labor to even it out. Older women speak on this online and younger women listen. It's why the "4B movement" is trending on Tiktok worldwide

Only among white liberal women. Koreans...where it started...keep laughing at white liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement#:~:text=But%20its%20opponents%20claimed%20that,the%20entire%20population%20of%20Korea.

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In the spring of 2024 in the Northern Hemisphere, South Korea's 4B movement was a popular topic on Western social media. English-speaking users on TikTok claimed that Korea's low birth rate was due to the 4B movement.[23] But its opponents claimed that the 4B movement's massive scale is exaggerated.[24] For example, a blogger Anna Lee, who lives in Seoul, said that the media exaggerates the scale of 4B and that the 4B movement in Korea is a very small part of the entire population of Korea.[25] Even though the 4B movement was a minority in Korean society, users on TikTok sensationalized and faulted the 4B movement as the root cause of low birth rate of South Korea.[26]
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Most of the women preaching the 4b movement in the US are women men wouldn't want anyways. So if they're not trying to date it saves guys the trouble and headaches honestly.

Men aren't avoiding marriage, they're avoiding divorce. Most marriages are dissolved by women, and even in the case of lesbian couples, the divorce rates are astronomically high. Gay men have the lowest divorce rates.

Marriage rates are actually increasing nonethless
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/marriage-rates-us-divorce-cdc-data



According to divorce stats here:https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/

66% of Men and 74% of Women Think Their Partners Should Have Worked Harder to Save the Marriage

It shows three-quarters of women don't take responsibility for their actions that lead to divorce.

70% of women initiate divorces.

Men have been protesting marriage for over a decade now, it isn't new:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2014/01/08/men-are-on-strike-throughout-the-u-s-what-are-the-causes/?sh=4deaff9861e6

A whole book was written about it about ten years ago, and it still rings true today. Guys don't see the benefit of marriage when it will likely end if divorce and one initiated by the woman. Heck, women divorce other women at the same rates. So men are avoiding divorce.

Leave it to a guy to reach this conclusion.

Anonymous wrote:Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.

This sounds like it has nothing to do with "faminism" and being the single, cool aunt. And everything to do with not being financially stable at 70. What 70 is looking to work to cover bills? I don't know a single one who HAS to do it (though I'm sure there are those ppl out there).

Anonymous wrote:Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.

Feminism is not the opposite of being a slave to a selfish, needy male.

It’s equality. Equal opportunity in education, jobs, voting, rule of law.

There has ALWAYS been equality of life habits and homelife and parenting.

Males and Females choose every day to clean up after themselves, teach your kids something, call a friend or family member, make a meal for others, etc. Or not. One can also choose to leave a mess, ignore their kids, never socialize, and whine about how they’re hungry all the time.

I’m a married woman who has no plans for divorce so take this with a grain of salt, but here’s my thoughts.

I’m straight. I love my husband but am also generally attracted to good guys. I’m not materialistic.

I also have a source of wealth outside of my marriage.

I don’t want to develop trust in another man enough to pursue a romantic relationship. I’ve had a lot of great sex and companionship in my adult lifetime. I don’t want to invite more risks or drama than I have already had.

And I have no desire to be anyone’s retirement plan.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Single men are far more likely than single women to be looking for a relationship or dates – 61% vs. 38%. This gender gap is especially apparent among older singles"

Interesting development. What do we think is causing this?

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2020/08/PSDT_08.20.20.dating-relationships.full_.report.pdf

I could see that being the case here n the east coast amongst black and white women, but not with other demographics and not with the rest of the country.

pew is left biased so Unf their surveys don’t get out of their bubbles.

The survey is actually nationally representative. It might not fit your own experiences, but it's statistically reliable. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/methodology-38-2/

Unless they’re sending it out to synagogue, temple, tribal, Catholic, other christian churches, families or women and not just leftist urban enclaves they’re missing 50%+ of the population.

I didn’t receive a Pew survey ever, have you? Surveys are surveys. You send them to your bubbles or friends or network. More of the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.

I would be loaded if I never married and had kids. I would have millions more saved than I already do. Marriage + kids has not been a good financial investment. It has also drawn me away from friendships because, between work, marriage, and kids, I have no time for my own friendships and hobbies. I love my kids and don't regret them, but there is no doubt I would be much wealthier if I had remained single.

And 20-40 years from now, there won't be nieces and nephew to fall back on, because their siblings never had kids, either.

Godspeed.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of men are really selfish and self centered, and it's only gotten worse for the younger demographic, with the Andrew Tates and manosphere drones. Women are hearing the way men now openly speak about women online, and realizing that the Disney fairytales are just that... mostly fairytales written by women. And their interest is waning, which is only logical. Women were always the "prizes" in the relationship, which is why men would woo women, buy them rings, etc. Now men expect women to go 50/50 with everything and do hardly any household labor to even it out. Older women speak on this online and younger women listen. It's why the "4B movement" is trending on Tiktok worldwide

Only among white liberal women. Koreans...where it started...keep laughing at white liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement#:~:text=But%20its%20opponents%20claimed%20that,the%20entire%20population%20of%20Korea.

[bquote]
In the spring of 2024 in the Northern Hemisphere, South Korea's 4B movement was a popular topic on Western social media. English-speaking users on TikTok claimed that Korea's low birth rate was due to the 4B movement.[23] But its opponents claimed that the 4B movement's massive scale is exaggerated.[24] For example, a blogger Anna Lee, who lives in Seoul, said that the media exaggerates the scale of 4B and that the 4B movement in Korea is a very small part of the entire population of Korea.[25] Even though the 4B movement was a minority in Korean society, users on TikTok sensationalized and faulted the 4B movement as the root cause of low birth rate of South Korea.[26]
[/bquote]

Most of the women preaching the 4b movement in the US are women men wouldn't want anyways. So if they're not trying to date it saves guys the trouble and headaches honestly.

Men aren't avoiding marriage, they're avoiding divorce. Most marriages are dissolved by women, and even in the case of lesbian couples, the divorce rates are astronomically high. Gay men have the lowest divorce rates.

Marriage rates are actually increasing nonethless
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/marriage-rates-us-divorce-cdc-data



According to divorce stats here:https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/

66% of Men and 74% of Women Think Their Partners Should Have Worked Harder to Save the Marriage

It shows three-quarters of women don't take responsibility for their actions that lead to divorce.

70% of women initiate divorces.

Men have been protesting marriage for over a decade now, it isn't new:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2014/01/08/men-are-on-strike-throughout-the-u-s-what-are-the-causes/?sh=4deaff9861e6

A whole book was written about it about ten years ago, and it still rings true today. Guys don't see the benefit of marriage when it will likely end if divorce and one initiated by the woman. Heck, women divorce other women at the same rates. So men are avoiding divorce.

Anonymous wrote:Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.

I would be loaded if I never married and had kids. I would have millions more saved than I already do. Marriage + kids has not been a good financial investment. It has also drawn me away from friendships because, between work, marriage, and kids, I have no time for my own friendships and hobbies. I love my kids and don't regret them, but there is no doubt I would be much wealthier if I had remained single.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IMO the answer women are giving are how they feel right now, *in the very moment* they are being asked. Most likely because they have been burned/hurt by a recent relationship.

It’s not some immutably principled stand against being partnered. Given enough time, most women will end up in a relationship again. Even the ones who say they loooove being single.

Except the data directly contradicts that, since older women are overwhelmingly choosing to be single, more than any other demographic. And those are the women who know the most what a marriage and partnership with a man will entail

Is the is covered in the study? Makes sense.

Also dumped the defunct father on the adult kids’ doorsteps so they had better be ready to set boundaries.

My spouse’s obese uncle gray divorced and he siphoned money, meals and laundry off his elderly mother until she died a few years ago. Then he promptly told his newlywed adult son and DIL he was moving in with them. They said No, so he moved to an apartment 5 mins away. They don’t have kids still, unless you count the obese 70 yo father.

Feminism.

It will be very interesting to see the younger generations of women age single, and alone, with no families of their own. Will they have enough saved for retirement? How will they make it? I have an older female relative -- single, childless, early 70s -- living in another relative's garage because they lost their job. Can't find another one that covers the bills, now health is failing. Without the help of nieces and nephews, she might be on the streets.