Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 14:07     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I dissected a cat in high school AP Biology. I didn’t turn into a serial killer. Let the kid learn.


Unnecessary killing is wrong.


Yes. They sent us out in the wild to hunt down and kill cats. That was PE😁
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 13:36     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I dissected a cat in high school AP Biology. I didn’t turn into a serial killer. Let the kid learn.


Unnecessary killing is wrong.


Why do you think dissection and learning about the world and the animals that live in it is unnecessary killing? Do you think ignorance is respectful?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 12:46     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:I dissected a cat in high school AP Biology. I didn’t turn into a serial killer. Let the kid learn.


Unnecessary killing is wrong.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 11:34     Subject: frog dissection
I dissected a cat in high school AP Biology. I didn’t turn into a serial killer. Let the kid learn.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 10:10     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2nd grader boy attends a program outside of school. We are emailed that kids will do frog dissection. A teacher has teaching background on this science project and he raised all these frogs for this purposes. Parents are emailed/notified ahead to be given option to opt out. He has never seen a frog, and I am not sure if this project cause trauma or a wonderful experiences. I think they have enough frogs for this 20+ kids project. He has fishing before at camp, but he never touches bait and he releases fishes back to water.

DH says he did not do frog dissection till high school. So any thoughts of opt out or not? My kid is the youngest child, 1-2 years younger than other kids. He gets into this project due to his academic giftness.



By allowing the teacher to show frog dissection to children so young, you will be encouraging nothing but desensitizing the kids! Please stop this! There is nothing that kids cannot learn through animated videos about animals. There is absolutely no need to take lives of animals just because they cannot speak!!
How horrible!


Totally agree. Poor animals. And what a jerk the teacher is. It's just a showing off type of thing. Look at what we're doing with our kids. Kids don't need to do that.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 08:58     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:I think this is really young to get much out of it from an anatomy standpoint, also pretty young to use a scalpel appropriately. If he's really never seen a live frog, they have skipped some important naturalist education that usually happens at this age and happens way before dissection. Shouldn't you study the live animal first??

I'd opt out and tell DS he can do it when older. And I would rethink whether this program is actually age-appropriate overall.


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 19:23     Subject: frog dissection
We dissected a starfish in elementary school and I don't recall being traumatized by it (and I say this as a life long vegetarian).
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 12:41     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2nd grader boy attends a program outside of school. We are emailed that kids will do frog dissection. A teacher has teaching background on this science project and he raised all these frogs for this purposes. Parents are emailed/notified ahead to be given option to opt out. He has never seen a frog, and I am not sure if this project cause trauma or a wonderful experiences. I think they have enough frogs for this 20+ kids project. He has fishing before at camp, but he never touches bait and he releases fishes back to water.

DH says he did not do frog dissection till high school. So any thoughts of opt out or not? My kid is the youngest child, 1-2 years younger than other kids. He gets into this project due to his academic giftness.



By allowing the teacher to show frog dissection to children so young, you will be encouraging nothing but desensitizing the kids! Please stop this! There is nothing that kids cannot learn through animated videos about animals. There is absolutely no need to take lives of animals just because they cannot speak!!
How horrible!


Huh? At 7-10, a child should have had the opportunity to go fishing and catch fish and probably frogs and should help or at least watch the fish being cleaned. That's not desensitizing. It's learning.


This is exactly why the world is a sad place.


You’re a sad sack


because people like you exist
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 12:34     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:I think this is really young to get much out of it from an anatomy standpoint, also pretty young to use a scalpel appropriately. If he's really never seen a live frog, they have skipped some important naturalist education that usually happens at this age and happens way before dissection. Shouldn't you study the live animal first??

I'd opt out and tell DS he can do it when older. And I would rethink whether this program is actually age-appropriate overall.


I agree with this. I’m a biologist who opted out of dissecting until college.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 09:30     Subject: frog dissection
Am I the only one who had to dissect a fetal pig in 8th grade? Shudder. Didn't enjoy that activity. Also dissected a squid in 7th, a cow's eye at some point and the frog in high school. I knew medicine was not my calling at a very young age.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 09:26     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2nd grader boy attends a program outside of school. We are emailed that kids will do frog dissection. A teacher has teaching background on this science project and he raised all these frogs for this purposes. Parents are emailed/notified ahead to be given option to opt out. He has never seen a frog, and I am not sure if this project cause trauma or a wonderful experiences. I think they have enough frogs for this 20+ kids project. He has fishing before at camp, but he never touches bait and he releases fishes back to water.

DH says he did not do frog dissection till high school. So any thoughts of opt out or not? My kid is the youngest child, 1-2 years younger than other kids. He gets into this project due to his academic giftness.



By allowing the teacher to show frog dissection to children so young, you will be encouraging nothing but desensitizing the kids! Please stop this! There is nothing that kids cannot learn through animated videos about animals. There is absolutely no need to take lives of animals just because they cannot speak!!
How horrible!


Huh? At 7-10, a child should have had the opportunity to go fishing and catch fish and probably frogs and should help or at least watch the fish being cleaned. That's not desensitizing. It's learning.


This is exactly why the world is a sad place.


You’re a sad sack
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 08:43     Subject: Re:frog dissection
We did this in 5th grade. I wasn't traumatized by it, but I was grossed out. The thing I remember most about it was the strong smell of formaldehyde that the dead frogs were stored in - which stuck in my nostrils for about an hour afterwards. Disgusting, and I don' think anyone really found it much of a learning experience at 10-11yo.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 08:20     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2nd grader boy attends a program outside of school. We are emailed that kids will do frog dissection. A teacher has teaching background on this science project and he raised all these frogs for this purposes. Parents are emailed/notified ahead to be given option to opt out. He has never seen a frog, and I am not sure if this project cause trauma or a wonderful experiences. I think they have enough frogs for this 20+ kids project. He has fishing before at camp, but he never touches bait and he releases fishes back to water.

DH says he did not do frog dissection till high school. So any thoughts of opt out or not? My kid is the youngest child, 1-2 years younger than other kids. He gets into this project due to his academic giftness.



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Children learn from adults. It does not depend on your child what he wants to do because he is too young to distinguish between what is right versus wrong. It is up to you as the parents to decide what values you want to inculcate in your child. If you want your child to learn respecting life no matter how big or small the life is, then that lesson starts at home, from you, and now.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 08:05     Subject: frog dissection
Anonymous wrote:2nd grader boy attends a program outside of school. We are emailed that kids will do frog dissection. A teacher has teaching background on this science project and he raised all these frogs for this purposes. Parents are emailed/notified ahead to be given option to opt out. He has never seen a frog, and I am not sure if this project cause trauma or a wonderful experiences. I think they have enough frogs for this 20+ kids project. He has fishing before at camp, but he never touches bait and he releases fishes back to water.

DH says he did not do frog dissection till high school. So any thoughts of opt out or not? My kid is the youngest child, 1-2 years younger than other kids. He gets into this project due to his academic giftness.



https://navs.org/humane-alternatives-are-more-effective-than-harmful-animal-use/



Anonymous
Post 04/16/2024 07:40     Subject: frog dissection
This doesn't bother me, but I would talk to my kid about what he feels comfortable with. My kid hasn't dissected frogs yet, but they did dissect mollusks in 4th grade summer camp, which he found fascinating. My other kid is in 3rd and they didn't dissect, but they got to investigate a dead deer and the process decompensation which was gross (to me!) but he found it fascinating.

Anyway, this is one of those things where it depends on the kids. My kids would probably love it. Other kids would not. If you think your kid would not, I think its fine to opt out .