I am an empty nester, and I am hanging on to my rather large single family home for a few reasons. 1) I don't want to live in a condo and even if I did, three bedroom condos are pretty rare around here. 2) Condos are incredibly expensive to own -- I doubt I'd save much money at all going from a 3600 square foot home into a 2000 square foot condo. 3) I like outdoor space, spend time gardening. 4) My home feels like a precious asset and I'm going to hold onto it until I conclude my kids don't want it. I might change my mind if there were decent townhouse options here, but developers are not building many and the ones they are building are as big as my sfh.

Anonymous wrote:We do need to deport the boomers out from the SFHs and into the condos. SFHs are for families with kids, not empty nesters

Good luck with that. If the city declares war on single family homes, then people who already own single family homes will never, ever sell. Why would they? The value of those homes will only go up. Owning a single family home in DC will eventually become like owning a single family home in Manhattan.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

Nonsense. People who live duplexes don’t pay jack shit in taxes. People who can afford single family homes in CC pay a ton in taxes. We have an extremely progressive tax system.

Agree. At the Federal level, top 1% pay 45.8%, top 5% pay 65.6%, top 10% pay 75.8%, and top 50% pay 97.7% of all Federal income taxes. Bottom 50% pay 2.3%. Assume DC numbers are roughly similar. Turning SFHs into 2-4 unit buildings will not be a net tax benefit to DC. Those living in these buildings, particularly families, are not likely to be paying much, if anything, in income taxes. Yes, they will be paying property taxes. But those property taxes and any de minimus income taxes will not offset the costs incurred by DC Govt. The fact is that DC needs more rich people, not fewer, and DC needs places they want to live-namely, SFH neighborhoods.





 
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/

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Anonymous wrote:here's the best piece I've read on the proposal. Quite glad it's dead. Racists gonna racist. https://ggwash.org/view/93212/chevy-chase-historic-district-applicants-admit-what-its-actually-about

I dunno. Seems like the only people who are really into increasing density are white people who are *desperate* to move into overwhelmingly white neighborhoods. There's already lots of affordable housing in majority black neighborhoods that they like to pretend doesn't exist.

That’s not true. It’s about creating housing in areas close to transit and amenities. Like, there aren’t even any 3 bedroom apartments basically anywhere in the entire DC proper. And urbanists are also excited about density being created near any metro stop.

There is housing that is near transit and the "amenities" (amenities means I want to live near the people who make more than me, not near the people who make what I make), just live in it. Any new housing in these places with "amenities" isn't going to be anything that people begging for it can afford. The condos are not going to be 300k just becuse they are small and/or condos. There isn't a hack to getting to live in a desirable neighborhood w/o paying a lot for it.

OK sweetie. Your perception of how very desireable your neighborhood is doesn’t mean you are exempt from everything.

Hey everyone, another pleasant prospective YImBY neighbor. They are all so charming!

We do need to deport the boomers out from the SFHs and into the condos. SFHs are for families with kids, not empty nesters

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

The building and its occupants might generate more revenue on an aggregate basis, but expenses to provide services for these additional residents will greatly exceed the cost of the previous SFH. DC will end up losing money on the plex residents because they cost more than they contribute in tax revenue. Unfortunately, most residential development is tax negative.

You have zero clue what you are talking about. Show any bona fide 3rd party study that supports that most residential development is tax negative.

It is. Do the math.

The classic response when people are pulling things out of their a**.

Produce a true 3rd party analysis that supports what you are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

The building and its occupants might generate more revenue on an aggregate basis, but expenses to provide services for these additional residents will greatly exceed the cost of the previous SFH. DC will end up losing money on the plex residents because they cost more than they contribute in tax revenue. Unfortunately, most residential development is tax negative.

You have zero clue what you are talking about. Show any bona fide 3rd party study that supports that most residential development is tax negative.

It is. Do the math.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the best piece I've read on the proposal. Quite glad it's dead. Racists gonna racist. https://ggwash.org/view/93212/chevy-chase-historic-district-applicants-admit-what-its-actually-about

I dunno. Seems like the only people who are really into increasing density are white people who are *desperate* to move into overwhelmingly white neighborhoods. There's already lots of affordable housing in majority black neighborhoods that they like to pretend doesn't exist.

That’s not true. It’s about creating housing in areas close to transit and amenities. Like, there aren’t even any 3 bedroom apartments basically anywhere in the entire DC proper. And urbanists are also excited about density being created near any metro stop.

There is housing that is near transit and the "amenities" (amenities means I want to live near the people who make more than me, not near the people who make what I make), just live in it. Any new housing in these places with "amenities" isn't going to be anything that people begging for it can afford. The condos are not going to be 300k just becuse they are small and/or condos. There isn't a hack to getting to live in a desirable neighborhood w/o paying a lot for it.

OK sweetie. Your perception of how very desireable your neighborhood is doesn’t mean you are exempt from everything.

Your sarcastic response proves my point--you see the neighborhoods as desirable and you want in at a low cost. Building lots of small housing units close together is not going to achieve what you think is going to achieve--either the elements (people or businesses) that make the neighborhood appealing to you will leave OR people with level of income that can afford the neighborhood now will move into these smaller units at their premium price.
By the way, I live a solidly middle class 2 bedroom condo building in Maryland, not near transit, so this isn't personal.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the best piece I've read on the proposal. Quite glad it's dead. Racists gonna racist. https://ggwash.org/view/93212/chevy-chase-historic-district-applicants-admit-what-its-actually-about

I dunno. Seems like the only people who are really into increasing density are white people who are *desperate* to move into overwhelmingly white neighborhoods. There's already lots of affordable housing in majority black neighborhoods that they like to pretend doesn't exist.

That’s not true. It’s about creating housing in areas close to transit and amenities. Like, there aren’t even any 3 bedroom apartments basically anywhere in the entire DC proper. And urbanists are also excited about density being created near any metro stop.

There is housing that is near transit and the "amenities" (amenities means I want to live near the people who make more than me, not near the people who make what I make), just live in it. Any new housing in these places with "amenities" isn't going to be anything that people begging for it can afford. The condos are not going to be 300k just becuse they are small and/or condos. There isn't a hack to getting to live in a desirable neighborhood w/o paying a lot for it.

OK sweetie. Your perception of how very desireable your neighborhood is doesn’t mean you are exempt from everything.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

The building and its occupants might generate more revenue on an aggregate basis, but expenses to provide services for these additional residents will greatly exceed the cost of the previous SFH. DC will end up losing money on the plex residents because they cost more than they contribute in tax revenue. Unfortunately, most residential development is tax negative.

You have zero clue what you are talking about. Show any bona fide 3rd party study that supports that most residential development is tax negative.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

Nonsense. People who live duplexes don’t pay jack shit in taxes. People who can afford single family homes in CC pay a ton in taxes. We have an extremely progressive tax system.

They pay more than the long time owners in CC that often have fairly moderate incomes…and if elderly much of that is shielded from DC tax.

As one of the relatively new and higher income owners in CC…upcoming won’t bother me much or cause me to sell.

It’s the old timers that may finally throw in the towel.

However, there is absolutely no initiative to upzone off the main Avenues…so not sure why it is even a topic.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the best piece I've read on the proposal. Quite glad it's dead. Racists gonna racist. https://ggwash.org/view/93212/chevy-chase-historic-district-applicants-admit-what-its-actually-about

I dunno. Seems like the only people who are really into increasing density are white people who are *desperate* to move into overwhelmingly white neighborhoods. There's already lots of affordable housing in majority black neighborhoods that they like to pretend doesn't exist.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

Nonsense. People who live duplexes don’t pay jack shit in taxes. People who can afford single family homes in CC pay a ton in taxes. We have an extremely progressive tax system.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the specific intersection at CT and Neb is very low density as is the chevy chase commercial area.

Maybe that’s why people moved near there.

Good luck collecting enough tax revenue to cover DCs expenses. The super rich people living in NW DC will move out if you start upzoning this area. Many of these people have no interest in living in a high density neighborhood and they will not tolerate the dramatic changes to their community. The reality of it is the affluent households that pay a disproportionate share of income tax revenues people do not want to want giant apartment building in their neighborhoods and they will leave. The residents that replace them will not come close to making up for this lost tax revenue.

Well, I bet if you replace one SFH with say two, two unit duplexes (so 4 in total) you likely will generate more overall tax revenue than that one SFH household.

The reality is the super rich live in Georgetown, Mass Heights, etc. CC DC is a wealthy but not super rich area.

The building and its occupants might generate more revenue on an aggregate basis, but expenses to provide services for these additional residents will greatly exceed the cost of the previous SFH. DC will end up losing money on the plex residents because they cost more than they contribute in tax revenue. Unfortunately, most residential development is tax negative.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the best piece I've read on the proposal. Quite glad it's dead. Racists gonna racist. https://ggwash.org/view/93212/chevy-chase-historic-district-applicants-admit-what-its-actually-about

I dunno. Seems like the only people who are really into increasing density are white people who are *desperate* to move into overwhelmingly white neighborhoods. There's already lots of affordable housing in majority black neighborhoods that they like to pretend doesn't exist.

Chef's kiss +1000

They are very picky about neighborhoods they want to move into, cheaply--they think that building tons of 1 bedroom condo will allow them to live in the nicest parts of DC for 1500 a month. Not going to happen.

It will if you can the oldsters out lf their SFHs and into the condos. That's the next step.

They will not want to do this. So what is your plan for forcing them to do so? Just like road diets are to force us to find driving intolerable, how will you make the "oldsters" lives intolorable?