Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 20:55     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

It would be awesome if this rule existed for basketball. I have a kid born two days before the cutoff who is small for her age. She loves the sport, but will be late to sprout. There are already girls who are 5'7" at 11 yo and full on into puberty, while my kid is still 4'4" and looks like a 3rd grader. I have no doubt she'll eventually get there, but she may be 14 before she starts puberty.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 19:21     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Anonymous wrote:I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.


Actually size has less of an effect on soccer than it does some other sports.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 19:13     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

I don't see how soccer is different than any other sport.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 19:03     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

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Anonymous wrote:Bio-banding is a method by which players are grouped together based on their maturity and biological age rather than their birth year.

My understanding is that MLSN clubs use it? Which clubs? Do ECNL clubs use it as well?
What age does that start?
If you could please share any experience.
I’m sure some December birthday kids would benefit from that.
Thanks


I got this from another post:
MLS Next rules allow for 3 over-age players per team. It is called the "late developers" rule in MLS Next but is also referred to as bio-banding. The idea is to allow smaller kids who are late to puberty to play a year down until they catch up. At these years, there is a huge variability in height and weight and the rule is designed to encourage late developers to stick with the game. But, Bethesda abuses the rule for a competitive advantage by playing larger faster kids down.

Bethesda is misusing the bioband rule in the 2010 age group but using it correctly in the 2011 group. There was one, now two kids who technically skilled but very small. Not sure if the different usages are coincidence, difference in coaching, or what. But it's a shame to see them basically cheat in the 2010 age group.

If you're one of the Bethesda 2009 /10 parents, your kid is not physically delayed. They are being used to gain a competitive advantage. Look at the 2010/11 kid who bio-banded on Bethesda. Or, the one kid bio-banding with DCU. Both tiny and extremely skilled. That's the type of kids the program was designed for....not a 5'6" tall 15 year old who would be average sized in his own age group.



This is not at all on the girls side. I doubt it would be in the future.

When NWSL Next is implemented bio banding very much will come to the women's game. There's early and late developers in the Women's game but it's not as noticeable because at puberty girls don't get the rush of testosterone that boys do.

However what biobanding does do is keep parents from focusing on age groups and wins/losses. Because players can be switched out/in at will who can directly affect the outcome results don't matter. It all becomes about player development which ideally lands you on the pro team.


LOL!!! Not only is NWSLNext a certainty but this simp also knows the league policies before the league is even announced!!!


Iits not hard to understand how every Academy system around the world functions.

When NWSL implements Acadamies they're going to run them just like everyone else.

Not magic. It's called knowledge.


If you said that about European academies fine.

What you've said and continue to to say about NWSLNest is not knowledge, it is speculation.


Bio-banding is being applied on a broad scale in European youth soccer. Especially countries like Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands.
Players like Kevin De Bruyne are current beneficiaries.



From the discussion it looks like Loudoun uses this rule, not sure if that is at ECNL (national) level.
MLSN clubs can use the rule to play down up to 3 players per team. Is that rule actually being used in the local MLSN teams? i.e. SYC or Bethesda or ASA or Achilles?
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 18:56     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

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Anonymous wrote:Every sport has winners and losers with cutoffs. There's nothing unique about soccer except the whiny-ness of the parents of the tiny kids. Soccer is already the sport for little guys.


And clearly there are other sports for stupid guys. And their parents.


lol roasted... as my kids would say


Did you just reply to yourself and laugh at your own lame "joke"? lol as you would say.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 18:51     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

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Anonymous wrote:Every sport has winners and losers with cutoffs. There's nothing unique about soccer except the whiny-ness of the parents of the tiny kids. Soccer is already the sport for little guys.


And clearly there are other sports for stupid guys. And their parents.


lol roasted... as my kids would say
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 18:31     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Anonymous wrote:Every sport has winners and losers with cutoffs. There's nothing unique about soccer except the whiny-ness of the parents of the tiny kids. Soccer is already the sport for little guys.


And clearly there are other sports for stupid guys. And their parents.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 18:23     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Achilles, Bethesda and Armour all do it. Not sure if for every age group but definitely from u13-15 teams. I would assume SYC and Alexandria use the rule as well.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 18:20     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Anonymous wrote:Once you understand how Acadamies work and concepts like bio banding, homegrown rules, and transfer fees. It explains why you rarely see boys parents engaging in the back and forth online. This is because clubs don't collect talent at defined age groups. If a player is really good they play up. If they're really really good they play on the Academy team. If they're really really really good they play professionally. Weekly wins or losses mean less when rosters change all the time. You end up with less me vs them situations because the end goal for everyone involved it to play professionally.

Once NSWL implements Acadamies and an Academy leauge (NWSL Next) you'll see the same type of thing happen to girls parents.


They will have a very hard time competing with ECNL. ECNL is set up for college recruiting. This is top product. I doubt you see much if anyone leave ECNL.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 18:17     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

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Anonymous wrote:Bio-banding is a method by which players are grouped together based on their maturity and biological age rather than their birth year.

My understanding is that MLSN clubs use it? Which clubs? Do ECNL clubs use it as well?
What age does that start?
If you could please share any experience.
I’m sure some December birthday kids would benefit from that.
Thanks


I got this from another post:
MLS Next rules allow for 3 over-age players per team. It is called the "late developers" rule in MLS Next but is also referred to as bio-banding. The idea is to allow smaller kids who are late to puberty to play a year down until they catch up. At these years, there is a huge variability in height and weight and the rule is designed to encourage late developers to stick with the game. But, Bethesda abuses the rule for a competitive advantage by playing larger faster kids down.

Bethesda is misusing the bioband rule in the 2010 age group but using it correctly in the 2011 group. There was one, now two kids who technically skilled but very small. Not sure if the different usages are coincidence, difference in coaching, or what. But it's a shame to see them basically cheat in the 2010 age group.

If you're one of the Bethesda 2009 /10 parents, your kid is not physically delayed. They are being used to gain a competitive advantage. Look at the 2010/11 kid who bio-banded on Bethesda. Or, the one kid bio-banding with DCU. Both tiny and extremely skilled. That's the type of kids the program was designed for....not a 5'6" tall 15 year old who would be average sized in his own age group.



This is not at all on the girls side. I doubt it would be in the future.

When NWSL Next is implemented bio banding very much will come to the women's game. There's early and late developers in the Women's game but it's not as noticeable because at puberty girls don't get the rush of testosterone that boys do.

However what biobanding does do is keep parents from focusing on age groups and wins/losses. Because players can be switched out/in at will who can directly affect the outcome results don't matter. It all becomes about player development which ideally lands you on the pro team.


LOL!!! Not only is NWSLNext a certainty but this simp also knows the league policies before the league is even announced!!!


Iits not hard to understand how every Academy system around the world functions.

When NWSL implements Acadamies they're going to run them just like everyone else.

Not magic. It's called knowledge.


They are not implementing academies. Stop the nonsense. What they could do is partner with specific clubs -- more than 1 for each pro club. Nothing else will change. Even that I doubt will occer.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 17:35     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Every sport has winners and losers with cutoffs. There's nothing unique about soccer except the whiny-ness of the parents of the tiny kids. Soccer is already the sport for little guys.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 16:25     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Anonymous wrote:Every sport has age cutoff winners and losers.


How about trying the intelligent intellectual approach for once and take some time to read an article or research paper about Relative Age Effect and youth sports. Particularly soccer.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 16:25     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a kid who isn't good enough to play with his own age should probably be playing rec.

Bio banding isn't only about giving worse players an option so they can play competitively and get better. It's also a way to force of age players into situations where they're playing up.

The other big benefits are it makes it easier for clubs to field teams and it makes parents focus less on individual games and more on overall development.


Bio-banding has absolutely nothing to do with kids playing up.
It also has absolutely nothing to do with kids having lesser skills or soccer IQ playing down.

It is 100% about late physical developers primarily born in the last two quarters of the calendar year. Especially the last quarter.

It depends on the age and the club.

Everyone has their own reasons for xyz.

The net effect on parents is the same.


How about trying the intelligent intellectual approach for once and take some time to read an article or research paper about Relative Age Effect and youth sports. Particularly soccer.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 16:17     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Anonymous wrote:Every sport has age cutoff winners and losers.

That's what pay to play soccer people don't understand.

Age cutoffs mean nothing in Academy soccer. The only thing that matters is development. This is because even if you're playing for a different teams it's not about who wins the game it's about how you improved as a player and if it translates into playing professionally.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2024 16:11     Subject: Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

Every sport has age cutoff winners and losers.