Anonymous
03/11/2024 11:41
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Why are frats even allowed. My non-white DS told me that as a freshman, kids were allowed to join frat parties for about a week or so. After that week, anyone that was not White was specifically pulled and questioned as to why they were there, who they came with, etc. White, non-frat kids didn't have that issue.
The one non-white kid that eventually decided to pledge was crying in his room several days during the pledge process because of what he considered extra hazing (may or not have been extra; maybe all pledges cry) and racist comments.
And to think all these kids had resumes filled with 100+ hours of service work and other pretend activities that portrayed them as paragons of virtue.. sad.
That's weird because my white DS is in a UM fraternity and his first president was non-white. It's one of his closest friends. There has always been a non-white person on the board. But, this isn't one that is highly ranked, so maybe your son's friend was trying to join a top frat. From what DS has told me, after rush only women are allowed at parties and other men who are friends with fraternity members and already have their name on a list. All other guys would be turned away, regardless of race.
Re hazing, there is a range at UM, which I'm sure is true at any school. At low-ranked frats, hazing is more along the lines of having to do errands (pick up a brother's lunch).
Anonymous
03/11/2024 01:29
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t as in a Greek house at a private t20 in the 90s. Can’t recall seeing any hazing.
I do think this is a large Public Flagship, kind of thing
Of course you do. We'll wait while you admit just how idiotic your claim is.
https://vanderbilthustler.com/2021/10/26/office-of-greek-life-director-condemns-off-campus-operations-by-former-dke-students/
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2013/11/26/top-stories/students-hazing-story-sheds-light-on-northwesterns-broken-disciplinary-system/
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2022/01/investigation-of-alleged-drugging-at-sigma-phi-epsilon-leads-to-suspension-on-different-violations
https://apnews.com/general-news-d7ef705f37fb477d847bff15de854bd4
https://news.mit.edu/2000/settlement-0920
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-a-gross-excerpt-from-dartmouth-tell-all-229771/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/nyregion/cornell-fraternities-hazing-death-antonio-tsialas.html
https://cornellsun.com/2024/02/14/several-university-fraternities-suspended-over-hazing-allegations/
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/01/penn-hazing-fraternity-lambda-phi-epsilon-shut-down-national-columbia-university
https://pbn.com/brown-university-suspends-sigma-chi-fraternity-for-hazing-alcohol-violations/
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/05/princeton-university-hazing-fraternity-report
You have a lot of time on your hands
It took all of five minutes. Tons of privates and “top 20” schools have hazing issues.
Anonymous
03/11/2024 00:54
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t as in a Greek house at a private t20 in the 90s. Can’t recall seeing any hazing.
I do think this is a large Public Flagship, kind of thing
Of course you do. We'll wait while you admit just how idiotic your claim is.
https://vanderbilthustler.com/2021/10/26/office-of-greek-life-director-condemns-off-campus-operations-by-former-dke-students/
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2013/11/26/top-stories/students-hazing-story-sheds-light-on-northwesterns-broken-disciplinary-system/
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2022/01/investigation-of-alleged-drugging-at-sigma-phi-epsilon-leads-to-suspension-on-different-violations
https://apnews.com/general-news-d7ef705f37fb477d847bff15de854bd4
https://news.mit.edu/2000/settlement-0920
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-a-gross-excerpt-from-dartmouth-tell-all-229771/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/nyregion/cornell-fraternities-hazing-death-antonio-tsialas.html
https://cornellsun.com/2024/02/14/several-university-fraternities-suspended-over-hazing-allegations/
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/01/penn-hazing-fraternity-lambda-phi-epsilon-shut-down-national-columbia-university
https://pbn.com/brown-university-suspends-sigma-chi-fraternity-for-hazing-alcohol-violations/
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/05/princeton-university-hazing-fraternity-report
You have a lot of time on your hands
Ha. I'm not PP, but honestly it's pretty easy to find news articles about this kind of thing. At lots of places.
Groupthink + drink causes problems everywhere.
And no, I wasn't Greek nor did I want to be.
Anonymous
03/10/2024 23:59
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t as in a Greek house at a private t20 in the 90s. Can’t recall seeing any hazing.
I do think this is a large Public Flagship, kind of thing
Of course you do. We'll wait while you admit just how idiotic your claim is.
https://vanderbilthustler.com/2021/10/26/office-of-greek-life-director-condemns-off-campus-operations-by-former-dke-students/
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2013/11/26/top-stories/students-hazing-story-sheds-light-on-northwesterns-broken-disciplinary-system/
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2022/01/investigation-of-alleged-drugging-at-sigma-phi-epsilon-leads-to-suspension-on-different-violations
https://apnews.com/general-news-d7ef705f37fb477d847bff15de854bd4
https://news.mit.edu/2000/settlement-0920
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-a-gross-excerpt-from-dartmouth-tell-all-229771/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/nyregion/cornell-fraternities-hazing-death-antonio-tsialas.html
https://cornellsun.com/2024/02/14/several-university-fraternities-suspended-over-hazing-allegations/
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/01/penn-hazing-fraternity-lambda-phi-epsilon-shut-down-national-columbia-university
https://pbn.com/brown-university-suspends-sigma-chi-fraternity-for-hazing-alcohol-violations/
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/05/princeton-university-hazing-fraternity-report
You have a lot of time on your hands
Anonymous
03/10/2024 23:52
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nope I’m talking about Michigan
Relentless pressure to do cocaine and binge drink until blackout. Freshmen sorority girls are peer pressured and coerced to sleep with fraternity boys at the specific houses the older bigs want to remain socially close with. Ghislaine Maxwell vibes. Very gross. Don't let your teen go to Michigan undergrad you care about them.
On the College Confidential, University of Indiana forum moms are really upset that their daughters with sorority aspirations are discouraged from socializing with frats during the first semester because of some rules around sorority recruitment (don't recall the specifics). I was shocked reading that. Do mothers want their kids to go to college to get an education or to get laid by a bunch of 'bros' on the regular?
My priority was getting laid!
You must've been a popular girl!
Anonymous
03/10/2024 23:19
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:I don’t as in a Greek house at a private t20 in the 90s. Can’t recall seeing any hazing.
I do think this is a large Public Flagship, kind of thing
Of course you do. We'll wait while you admit just how idiotic your claim is.
https://vanderbilthustler.com/2021/10/26/office-of-greek-life-director-condemns-off-campus-operations-by-former-dke-students/
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2013/11/26/top-stories/students-hazing-story-sheds-light-on-northwesterns-broken-disciplinary-system/
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2022/01/investigation-of-alleged-drugging-at-sigma-phi-epsilon-leads-to-suspension-on-different-violations
https://apnews.com/general-news-d7ef705f37fb477d847bff15de854bd4
https://news.mit.edu/2000/settlement-0920
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/confessions-of-an-ivy-league-frat-boy-a-gross-excerpt-from-dartmouth-tell-all-229771/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/nyregion/cornell-fraternities-hazing-death-antonio-tsialas.html
https://cornellsun.com/2024/02/14/several-university-fraternities-suspended-over-hazing-allegations/
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/01/penn-hazing-fraternity-lambda-phi-epsilon-shut-down-national-columbia-university
https://pbn.com/brown-university-suspends-sigma-chi-fraternity-for-hazing-alcohol-violations/
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2023/05/princeton-university-hazing-fraternity-report
Anonymous
03/10/2024 22:18
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Let’s get real—this kind of stuff happens at just about all universities with big Greek systems. This week the news is about Michigan, last week it was UMD and UVA, next week it will be some other school.
Anonymous
03/10/2024 21:30
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nope I’m talking about Michigan
Relentless pressure to do cocaine and binge drink until blackout. Freshmen sorority girls are peer pressured and coerced to sleep with fraternity boys at the specific houses the older bigs want to remain socially close with. Ghislaine Maxwell vibes. Very gross. Don't let your teen go to Michigan undergrad you care about them.
On the College Confidential, University of Indiana forum moms are really upset that their daughters with sorority aspirations are discouraged from socializing with frats during the first semester because of some rules around sorority recruitment (don't recall the specifics). I was shocked reading that. Do mothers want their kids to go to college to get an education or to get laid by a bunch of 'bros' on the regular?
My priority was getting laid!
Anonymous
03/10/2024 18:56
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nope I’m talking about Michigan
Relentless pressure to do cocaine and binge drink until blackout. Freshmen sorority girls are peer pressured and coerced to sleep with fraternity boys at the specific houses the older bigs want to remain socially close with. Ghislaine Maxwell vibes. Very gross. Don't let your teen go to Michigan undergrad you care about them.
On the College Confidential, University of Indiana forum moms are really upset that their daughters with sorority aspirations are discouraged from socializing with frats during the first semester because of some rules around sorority recruitment (don't recall the specifics). I was shocked reading that. Do mothers want their kids to go to college to get an education or to get laid by a bunch of 'bros' on the regular?
Anonymous
03/10/2024 18:18
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have to question the intelligence of any person - man or woman - who would willingly allow themselves to be humiliated like this. At any school.
It's 8 weeks and then your swimming in coeds for 4 years. Not unreasonable for a stupid 18 year old man to make that trade.
FIFY.
Anonymous
03/10/2024 18:03
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:I have to question the intelligence of any person - man or woman - who would willingly allow themselves to be humiliated like this. At any school.
It's 8 weeks and then your swimming in coeds for 4 years. Not unreasonable for an 18 year old man to make that trade.
Anonymous
03/10/2024 17:19
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Nope I’m talking about Michigan
Post at a Michigan forum
Anonymous
03/10/2024 17:19
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:I have to question the intelligence of any person - man or woman - who would willingly allow themselves to be humiliated like this. At any school.
Me too. I would think these organizations would be shut down by now or closed due to lack of interest. It’s 2024, inclusion is in , not exclusion and humiliation. I can’t think of what these people go through during hazing. And then go to class the next day and supposedly able to concentrate on their classes.
Anonymous
03/10/2024 17:05
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
I have to question the intelligence of any person - man or woman - who would willingly allow themselves to be humiliated like this. At any school.
Anonymous
03/10/2024 16:42
Subject: Hazing at U-M Frats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nope I’m talking about Michigan
Relentless pressure to do cocaine and binge drink until blackout. Freshmen sorority girls are peer pressured and coerced to sleep with fraternity boys at the specific houses the older bigs want to remain socially close with. Ghislaine Maxwell vibes. Very gross. Don't let your teen go to Michigan undergrad you care about them.
Michigan state
Or university of Michigan
???
If you think there aren't kids doing copious amounts of coke at top schools, you're living under a rock.