Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 11:05     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


Harvard has only had a serious engineering program for like two decades. When I went there, they only offered general engineering, which was basically a fluff degree. Now they have proper MechE and EE programs. It takes time to get something like that off the ground.

Harvard students are allowed to cross register at MIT, so there is no reason for Harvard to build an engineering faculty. I have a friend who majored in electrical engineering at Harvard and he took all his engineering classes at MIT and did undergrad research there. He wasn't accepted to MIT, which was his top choice, so he went to Harvard and still got to take MIT classes.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 10:57     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:BC isn't weak in engineering. Just stop. This has to a BU or NEU troll.


WTF
BC just started an engineering department
It's not just weak. It's shit.



Haha yep. BC is very very very weak in engineering. Not even accredited yet. Shows you that people just make assumptions. In contrast, BU and Northeastern are both pretty good in engineering. And I'm no troll - I have no dog in this fight.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 10:19     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284



Yeah, but this is always misleading. As an example, I believe less than 1/2 of UPenn engineering grads actually work in engineering. The rest work for hedge funds, consulting, Ibanking, VC, etc.

I assume Harvard and many of these other schools are the same/similar.


That may be true, but this is salaries of people from those institutions working in Engineering positions.


You may be correct, although the following paragraph is confusing:

"The rankings analyze the salary impact of undergraduate schools on graduates who go into a given field, such as finance, accounting and law, in addition to engineering. This “school effect” is irrespective of which major the graduates chose and whether they pursued postgraduate certifications or graduate studies, says Matt Sigelman, president of Burning Glass."
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 10:09     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284



Yeah, but this is always misleading. As an example, I believe less than 1/2 of UPenn engineering grads actually work in engineering. The rest work for hedge funds, consulting, Ibanking, VC, etc.

I assume Harvard and many of these other schools are the same/similar.


That may be true, but this is salaries of people from those institutions working in Engineering positions.


Harvard is #2 in Finance salaries behind MIT according to WSJ data.

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
FINANCE % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $48,051 4.09% $144,802 $19,998
2 Harvard University $39,879 8.84% $136,630 $18,037
3 Princeton University $39,094 9.75% $135,845 $18,685
4 University of Pennsylvania $39,092 12.65% $135,843 $24,167
5 Dartmouth College $37,768 9.02% $134,519 $24,525
6 Yale University $34,148 8.58% $130,899 $17,386
7 Columbia University in the City of New York $33,354 10.22% $130,105 $22,126
8 Duke University $32,568 7.80% $129,319 $26,932
9 Middlebury College $32,326 6.68% $129,077 $24,517
10 University of Chicago $31,833 7.69% $128,584 $36,584
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 10:07     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284



Yeah, but this is always misleading. As an example, I believe less than 1/2 of UPenn engineering grads actually work in engineering. The rest work for hedge funds, consulting, Ibanking, VC, etc.

I assume Harvard and many of these other schools are the same/similar.


That may be true, but this is salaries of people from those institutions working in Engineering positions.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:59     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284



Yeah, but this is always misleading. As an example, I believe less than 1/2 of UPenn engineering grads actually work in engineering. The rest work for hedge funds, consulting, Ibanking, VC, etc.

I assume Harvard and many of these other schools are the same/similar.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:57     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


WSJ rates Harvard #1 for top colleges for engineering salaries. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-engineering-7be5d8f2

RANK
COLLEGE
ANNUAL SALARY PREMIUM
ENGINEERING % OF GRADUATES
AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY
2019-2020 AVERAGE NET PRICE
1 Harvard University $39,945 1.79% $130,119 $18,037
2 Stanford University $34,385 6.57% $124,559 $20,023
3 California Institute of Technology $25,252 13.63% $115,426 $26,591
4 Princeton University $24,995 3.97% $115,169 $18,685
5 Brown University $24,553 3.02% $114,727 $27,659
6 University of Pennsylvania $20,477 2.94% $110,651 $24,167
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology $19,576 15.00% $109,750 $19,998
8 Columbia University in the City of New York $17,736 4.06% $107,910 $22,126
9 Dartmouth College $16,256 2.98% $106,430 $24,525
10 Santa Clara University $15,883 5.62% $106,057 $48,284

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:06     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised to learn that some schools I hear great things have virtually nonexistent or weak engineering programs- BC, Wash U, UNC. Trying to get a sense of other schools in the top 20-50 range.


I would avoid the schools that have relatively recently developed (as compared to the established engineering programs) engineering programs, OP. Since you asked.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 09:04     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
If you go to an Ivy League school, you are signing up for a liberal arts education.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:41     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the undergrad engineering list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


FYI, that "undergrad" list you linked is solely based on peer assessment reviews, which is rather bogus methodology according to many.

The first link for the best engineering schools is based on much more comprehensive data.


+1 The first list (https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings) provides the best information, given that it is based on research activity, faculty resources, academic achievements of entering students, and assessments by other engineering schools and employers.

The undergrad list is only based on peer assessment reviews. WTH?
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:39     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:BC isn't weak in engineering. Just stop. This has to a BU or NEU troll.


WTF
BC just started an engineering department
It's not just weak. It's shit.

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:32     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:This is the undergrad engineering list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


FYI, that "undergrad" list you linked is solely based on peer assessment reviews, which is rather bogus methodology according to many.

The first link for the best engineering schools is based on much more comprehensive data.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:24     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school.

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.


Yale may be weak, but this is where massive endowments can move the needle relatively quickly.

Yale is investing tons of $$$s into their STEM programs. It takes time, but they recognize the issue and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is highly rated within a decade.

Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:16     Subject: Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
Anonymous wrote:Given its ranking, Yale is incredibly weak in engineering. Most of the major public universities are far better. Harvard too is comparatively weak given its name. Both schools have the resources so not sure what the problem is. I think traditionally Ivy League schools looked down upon engineering. And now they're playing catch up. It's interesting that the best Ivy for engineering - Cornell - is also kind of sort of a public school

Other notable schools weak in engineering - Chicago and Georgetown.
MIT was also a land grant institution.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2024 08:13     Subject: Re:Which Top 50 colleges are weak when it comes to Engineering? And besides the obvious (MiT, Stanford, Cal), strong?
^ according to USNWR, but UMass has many strong specialty programs.