Anonymous wrote:Please enlighten me on this. What is this and where should I find this information? Is this packet or whatever expected to come home this week?

Your kids school would send your child's AAP application package to the central committee. You can ask for a copy from your local AART. Basically you will be able to see what the central committee sees when they evaluate your child.

The package includes the HOPE rating (done by local school), as well as family referral forms and six work samples.

Please enlighten me on this. What is this and where should I find this information? Is this packet or whatever expected to come home this week?

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Anonymous wrote:Would a WISC test even help an applicant with a 160 NNAT 144 COGAT? The applicant has already shown advanced test taking ability. It's the in-classroom behavior that's lacking.

Depends. Are the subsections pretty even? Do the work samples and HOPE rating reflect advanced ability? The tests can be prepped, WISC less so.

A 144 overall CoGAT can't be achieved without 130+ on all the subsections. The committee is not holding their nose at a 135/160/160 QNV. They would be focusing on the weaknesses in the application, which a 160 WISC won't address.

DP -- A competent AAP teacher should be able to reach a kid with such scores, but you're probably right, they may try to find reasons to reject such a child --the kind with potential who isn't working to his or her potential in gen ed. Unless the child is an URM, then the committee might work to admit him or her in the interests of equity. I'm pretty confident that my kid -with good HOPE scores and NNAT/CogAt in the 140's from a lower SES school--should get in, but who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:Would a WISC test even help an applicant with a 160 NNAT 144 COGAT? The applicant has already shown advanced test taking ability. It's the in-classroom behavior that's lacking.

Depends. Are the subsections pretty even? Do the work samples and HOPE rating reflect advanced ability? The tests can be prepped, WISC less so.

A 144 overall CoGAT can't be achieved without 130+ on all the subsections. The committee is not holding their nose at a 135/160/160 QNV. They would be focusing on the weaknesses in the application, which a 160 WISC won't address.

Anonymous wrote:Would a WISC test even help an applicant with a 160 NNAT 144 COGAT? The applicant has already shown advanced test taking ability. It's the in-classroom behavior that's lacking.

Depends. Are the subsections pretty even? Do the work samples and HOPE rating reflect advanced ability? The tests can be prepped, WISC less so.

Would a WISC test even help an applicant with a 160 NNAT 144 COGAT? The applicant has already shown advanced test taking ability. It's the in-classroom behavior that's lacking.

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Anonymous wrote:Very harsh HOPE rating: 2 often, 4 sometimes, 4 rarely 1 never.

Exceptional in math, reading, visual art.

NNAT 160 COAT 144 Iready reading 92% math 99%.

Already preparing for appeal given the poor HOPE scale. DS is in Level II AAP, Above grade level for Lexia Core 5 and ST Math, Frankly I don't know why HOPE rating is so low.

I'm sorry, that sounds ridiculous. His scores should merit his entry alone.

I would ask to speak to his teacher. Not to attack them, but to say I'm concerned there are issues happening in the classroom that I'm not aware of. Scores like that merit an explanation. And yes, the smart, quiet kids are often overlooked.

Well OP doesn't even know if he got in or not, does she? This is the problem with asking for these packets before getting decisions, what are you going to do with them except speculate, speculate speculate? I guess this PP might want to schedule a WISC just in case.

PP here, I requested packet just to learn not just HOPE rating, but also what school work sample is like etc for future preparation because I have younger kids. I am going to wait for AAP decision before talking to his teacher. Not sure if WISC is needed because his test scores are high enough. Do I have time to do a WISC before appeal deadline (in May?)

Around this time last yr I scheduled WISC for April after spring break, when we expected to get results. My child had one outlier score on cogat that I knew wasn’t accurate (based on other testing and a known issue on that day for that section). If child got in, I would’ve canceled the test. There are a lot of people trying to get in for WISC testing after the results come out so I was glad to have it booked in advance. I also wanted testing info back with enough time that it could help inform the appeal write up.

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Anonymous wrote:Very harsh HOPE rating: 2 often, 4 sometimes, 4 rarely 1 never.

Exceptional in math, reading, visual art.

NNAT 160 COAT 144 Iready reading 92% math 99%.

Already preparing for appeal given the poor HOPE scale. DS is in Level II AAP, Above grade level for Lexia Core 5 and ST Math, Frankly I don't know why HOPE rating is so low.

I'm sorry, that sounds ridiculous. His scores should merit his entry alone.

I would ask to speak to his teacher. Not to attack them, but to say I'm concerned there are issues happening in the classroom that I'm not aware of. Scores like that merit an explanation. And yes, the smart, quiet kids are often overlooked.

Well OP doesn't even know if he got in or not, does she? This is the problem with asking for these packets before getting decisions, what are you going to do with them except speculate, speculate speculate? I guess this PP might want to schedule a WISC just in case.

PP here, I requested packet just to learn not just HOPE rating, but also what school work sample is like etc for future preparation because I have younger kids. I am going to wait for AAP decision before talking to his teacher. Not sure if WISC is needed because his test scores are high enough. Do I have time to do a WISC before appeal deadline (in May?)

But you could have waited until after you found out if he did or did not get in to save yourself all this drama.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m completely new to this, but I requested the HOPE and was told it couldn’t be shared until after the committee met. Guessing this isn’t an actual rule, just AART-specific?

I believe the rule is after the committee has met but some AARTs release them sooner. It is kind of a problem because there is no uniformity.

Hmm, it's supposed to be available after the materials have been SENT to the committee, the idea being that once it's been SENT to the committee, it's not possible for parents to try to pressure or influence the teacher or the local school administration. Once it's SENT to the committee, there's no way for parents to know which AAP central committee member will review the file, hence why that's why the materials should be available.

Anonymous wrote:I’m completely new to this, but I requested the HOPE and was told it couldn’t be shared until after the committee met. Guessing this isn’t an actual rule, just AART-specific?

I believe the rule is after the committee has met but some AARTs release them sooner. It is kind of a problem because there is no uniformity.

I’m completely new to this, but I requested the HOPE and was told it couldn’t be shared until after the committee met. Guessing this isn’t an actual rule, just AART-specific?

Anonymous wrote:Very harsh HOPE rating: 2 often, 4 sometimes, 4 rarely 1 never.

Exceptional in math, reading, visual art.

NNAT 160 COAT 144 Iready reading 92% math 99%.

Already preparing for appeal given the poor HOPE scale. DS is in Level II AAP, Above grade level for Lexia Core 5 and ST Math, Frankly I don't know why HOPE rating is so low.

We don't have the HOPE score yet, but this is almost identical to my DC's scores in everything else. I'm not expecting high HOPE based on DC quiet personality. Questions on HOPE seem geared to placing higher value on "leadership" skills. It's unfortunate because my DC would thrive in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote: I am not planning to ask for the packet unless my kid doesn't get in. Until then, I don't care.

I would encourage you to look at the packet. I know that it was the only time were I feel like I understood how the school and my child's Teachers saw him. The comments on the GBRSs were enlightening because they were not canned responses chosen from a menu of options. I don't know if the HOPE scores include comments though so the packet might be less useful because it was the comments that provided insight.

Unfortunately, the HOPE feedback form only includes an OPTIONAL section for comments. Not sure how others fared, but our child's HOPE feedback form included no comments or feedback from the teacher. We have an older child who had a GBRS, which included helpful comments.

No comments on DS's HOPE rating, but at least the ratings were pretty good: 5 always, 3 almost always, 3 often. "Talent" areas were math, writing, science, reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Very harsh HOPE rating: 2 often, 4 sometimes, 4 rarely 1 never.

Exceptional in math, reading, visual art.

NNAT 160 COAT 144 Iready reading 92% math 99%.

Already preparing for appeal given the poor HOPE scale. DS is in Level II AAP, Above grade level for Lexia Core 5 and ST Math, Frankly I don't know why HOPE rating is so low.

I think it was good that you requested the packet so you know how he is viewed in class. What were the Lexia and St Math levels? What about his report card grades? His NNAT/CogAT should get him in, but you never know how much weight they put on the HOPE ratings, which might reflect nothing more than that the raters don't know him well enough.

Lexia is on level 15/16, which is last level of 3rd grade. ST math is less clear, he said he finished 2nd grade ST math last Dec. I am not worried about his math so didn't pay much attention. He's not a quiet kid, come home telling me all the tea among his classmates, anyway, I am going to talk to the teacher if he doesn't get in, otherwise I'll just let it slide.

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Anonymous wrote:Very harsh HOPE rating: 2 often, 4 sometimes, 4 rarely 1 never.

Exceptional in math, reading, visual art.

NNAT 160 COAT 144 Iready reading 92% math 99%.

Already preparing for appeal given the poor HOPE scale. DS is in Level II AAP, Above grade level for Lexia Core 5 and ST Math, Frankly I don't know why HOPE rating is so low.

It sound like your child is not well behaved.

Well if you don't know him you would think that, wouldn't you? This is the infuriating part, he is usually the best behaved kids in any situation, I never get any problem from teacher from K-2, and I took him to sports, swimming, piano, kumon, and never ever had any problem. This rating made me sound like a crazy person as if I am blind to my kid's failings but that's not the case. The rating is just wrong. Anyway, highly disappointing.

I don't think this sounds like behavioral issues. This more sounds like a kid who doesn't stand out and/or a teacher who isn't paying close attention to the quieter kids.

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