Anonymous
02/29/2024 14:16
Subject: Re:How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:April 10 I celebrate the one year anniversary at the best job I have ever worked. I am 67.
You're my twin. But it's April 26 for me. How long do you plan to work?
Anonymous
02/26/2024 12:10
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:I have worked with a couple of 80 year olds. They were hearing-impaired and had other problems. I helped one retire; she had no sense of what to do and no stamina to do it. It was grim.
Most people I worked with in my career retired some time before 70. I think 70 is the limit. During their last few years many became irritable and complained a lot or acted out towards other people; they didn't care. I retired at 62 because I could, luckily, and I didn't want to ever get like that.
I worked for someone 77ish, he is constantly giving contradictory instructions and accusing me of doing something I didn’t do, or accusing me of not doing something I already did.
He also gave me a bad review but the example cited in the review had his previous employee’s name in it.
I feel bad for him but I had to leave and remind myself not to work with them in my life time again.
Anonymous
02/26/2024 09:03
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:I have worked with a couple of 80 year olds. They were hearing-impaired and had other problems. I helped one retire; she had no sense of what to do and no stamina to do it. It was grim.
Most people I worked with in my career retired some time before 70. I think 70 is the limit. During their last few years many became irritable and complained a lot or acted out towards other people; they didn't care. I retired at 62 because I could, luckily, and I didn't want to ever get like that.
I've worked with quite a few people in their 70s. I can only think of one person who sounds like what you described. The rest were just like everyone else, some better than others, some nicer than others, but nothing that seemed age related. The only hard-of-hearing person I ever worked with was (at the time) in their early 30s.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 12:59
Subject: How old is too old?
I have worked with a couple of 80 year olds. They were hearing-impaired and had other problems. I helped one retire; she had no sense of what to do and no stamina to do it. It was grim.
Most people I worked with in my career retired some time before 70. I think 70 is the limit. During their last few years many became irritable and complained a lot or acted out towards other people; they didn't care. I retired at 62 because I could, luckily, and I didn't want to ever get like that.
Most people I worked with in my career retired some time before 70. I think 70 is the limit. During their last few years many became irritable and complained a lot or acted out towards other people; they didn't care. I retired at 62 because I could, luckily, and I didn't want to ever get like that.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 12:38
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X runs through 1980 -
Gen X might be in the work force till 2047 if they retire at 67.
Gen X can't retire. The Baby Boomers took most of the good jobs for our entire careers, and it wasn't until the pandemic that the younger ones with pensions decided they could leave to go golfing/enjoy their vacation places, etc. because "life's too short".
GenX is mostly not pensioned (unlike the Baby Boomers). And we've been kicked in the teeth so many times economically, I think you can expect to see us around for a lot longer.
I can remember when I just got out of college, the labor economists predicted good economic success for my "birth dearth" generation. Never happened. Until maybe post-pandemic. We'll see how long the current labor market conditions prevail.
GenX here. I graduated college in 1999, had a great 1 year and the dot.com burst.
Then 9/11
I got a Fed contracting job because they were only people still hiring.
Married in 2005, and wanted to buy a house but OMG so expensive now so can’t do that — we grew up poor
Love to move into Silicon Valley tech at this time, FB just founded, iPhone launched, but GenX is 30+, and ageism is established doctrine:
“ To be fair, that quote about old losers is from way back in 2007, when Zuck was but a grown child of 22 and not yet media trained. That was when Zuck said: “Young people are just smarter.”
And then the millenials arrive and squeeze the labor market, while boomers don’t leave.
What is going on Gen Xers? I thought the poor me bit was reserved for the millennials and gen Zers...
Us GenXers complain but not as loudly and no one listens to us
Yes because our parents were Silent Gen! Lol! Or atypical Boomers...
Anonymous
02/25/2024 12:02
Subject: How old is too old?
Landed my current role last year at 46. It’s my highest paying job yet. Not leadership, exec or management either.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 10:15
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X runs through 1980 -
Gen X might be in the work force till 2047 if they retire at 67.
Gen X can't retire. The Baby Boomers took most of the good jobs for our entire careers, and it wasn't until the pandemic that the younger ones with pensions decided they could leave to go golfing/enjoy their vacation places, etc. because "life's too short".
GenX is mostly not pensioned (unlike the Baby Boomers). And we've been kicked in the teeth so many times economically, I think you can expect to see us around for a lot longer.
I can remember when I just got out of college, the labor economists predicted good economic success for my "birth dearth" generation. Never happened. Until maybe post-pandemic. We'll see how long the current labor market conditions prevail.
GenX here. I graduated college in 1999, had a great 1 year and the dot.com burst.
Then 9/11
I got a Fed contracting job because they were only people still hiring.
Married in 2005, and wanted to buy a house but OMG so expensive now so can’t do that — we grew up poor
Love to move into Silicon Valley tech at this time, FB just founded, iPhone launched, but GenX is 30+, and ageism is established doctrine:
“ To be fair, that quote about old losers is from way back in 2007, when Zuck was but a grown child of 22 and not yet media trained. That was when Zuck said: “Young people are just smarter.”
And then the millenials arrive and squeeze the labor market, while boomers don’t leave.
What is going on Gen Xers? I thought the poor me bit was reserved for the millennials and gen Zers...
Midlife is the age of regret and grievance. We never wanted for much, the slacker generation, but ended up with even less and there is no more runway to make it up and we see our kids suffering for it (our kids, like Millennials will be worse off than prior generations, but even further behind since we are too poor to give them the boomer windfall that most millennials will receive. )
Anonymous
02/25/2024 09:42
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X runs through 1980 -
Gen X might be in the work force till 2047 if they retire at 67.
Gen X can't retire. The Baby Boomers took most of the good jobs for our entire careers, and it wasn't until the pandemic that the younger ones with pensions decided they could leave to go golfing/enjoy their vacation places, etc. because "life's too short".
GenX is mostly not pensioned (unlike the Baby Boomers). And we've been kicked in the teeth so many times economically, I think you can expect to see us around for a lot longer.
I can remember when I just got out of college, the labor economists predicted good economic success for my "birth dearth" generation. Never happened. Until maybe post-pandemic. We'll see how long the current labor market conditions prevail.
GenX here. I graduated college in 1999, had a great 1 year and the dot.com burst.
Then 9/11
I got a Fed contracting job because they were only people still hiring.
Married in 2005, and wanted to buy a house but OMG so expensive now so can’t do that — we grew up poor
Love to move into Silicon Valley tech at this time, FB just founded, iPhone launched, but GenX is 30+, and ageism is established doctrine:
“ To be fair, that quote about old losers is from way back in 2007, when Zuck was but a grown child of 22 and not yet media trained. That was when Zuck said: “Young people are just smarter.”
And then the millenials arrive and squeeze the labor market, while boomers don’t leave.
What is going on Gen Xers? I thought the poor me bit was reserved for the millennials and gen Zers...
Us GenXers complain but not as loudly and no one listens to us
Anonymous
02/25/2024 09:39
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't worry about Gen X. We are a small cohort. Though we will probably work a long time.
I'm a hiring manager, and my current viewpoint is that I don't want to hire anyone under age 40. I'm so sick of inexperience and entitlement.
Care to explain this a bit?
Other perspective: it seems like employers are not really interested in training younger candidates. They want someone to "hit the ground running."
And what do you mean by entitlement?
I don't think lack of experience is necessarily a bad thing, but I guess it depends on your industry. Some "experienced" people are very set in their old ways of working... and they don't want to use data/technology.
DP but the “motive new staff “ thread below is a prime example. It’s about how new people are put off by a 90 day in person requirement during probation. A time when they are getting TRAINED and getting to know the staff and procedures and having a mentor on hand for feedback and questions. The need for that being in person shouldn’t need to be explained. Ones the newbies have proved themselves to be competent, reliable and self motivated then they can WFH but not before that.
It's difficult to say without knowing the line of work. The 90-day thing is kind of strange to me. If other people get to WFH, what type of training/mentorship would be available at the office during my probation? I say this as someone that doesn't particularly enjoy working remotely.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 09:37
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X runs through 1980 -
Gen X might be in the work force till 2047 if they retire at 67.
Gen X can't retire. The Baby Boomers took most of the good jobs for our entire careers, and it wasn't until the pandemic that the younger ones with pensions decided they could leave to go golfing/enjoy their vacation places, etc. because "life's too short".
GenX is mostly not pensioned (unlike the Baby Boomers). And we've been kicked in the teeth so many times economically, I think you can expect to see us around for a lot longer.
I can remember when I just got out of college, the labor economists predicted good economic success for my "birth dearth" generation. Never happened. Until maybe post-pandemic. We'll see how long the current labor market conditions prevail.
GenX here. I graduated college in 1999, had a great 1 year and the dot.com burst.
Then 9/11
I got a Fed contracting job because they were only people still hiring.
Married in 2005, and wanted to buy a house but OMG so expensive now so can’t do that — we grew up poor
Love to move into Silicon Valley tech at this time, FB just founded, iPhone launched, but GenX is 30+, and ageism is established doctrine:
“ To be fair, that quote about old losers is from way back in 2007, when Zuck was but a grown child of 22 and not yet media trained. That was when Zuck said: “Young people are just smarter.”
And then the millenials arrive and squeeze the labor market, while boomers don’t leave.
What is going on Gen Xers? I thought the poor me bit was reserved for the millennials and gen Zers...
Anonymous
02/25/2024 08:28
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X runs through 1980 -
Gen X might be in the work force till 2047 if they retire at 67.
Gen X can't retire. The Baby Boomers took most of the good jobs for our entire careers, and it wasn't until the pandemic that the younger ones with pensions decided they could leave to go golfing/enjoy their vacation places, etc. because "life's too short".
GenX is mostly not pensioned (unlike the Baby Boomers). And we've been kicked in the teeth so many times economically, I think you can expect to see us around for a lot longer.
I can remember when I just got out of college, the labor economists predicted good economic success for my "birth dearth" generation. Never happened. Until maybe post-pandemic. We'll see how long the current labor market conditions prevail.
GenX here. I graduated college in 1999, had a great 1 year and the dot.com burst.
Then 9/11
I got a Fed contracting job because they were only people still hiring.
Married in 2005, and wanted to buy a house but OMG so expensive now so can’t do that — we grew up poor
Love to move into Silicon Valley tech at this time, FB just founded, iPhone launched, but GenX is 30+, and ageism is established doctrine:
“ To be fair, that quote about old losers is from way back in 2007, when Zuck was but a grown child of 22 and not yet media trained. That was when Zuck said: “Young people are just smarter.”
And then the millenials arrive and squeeze the labor market, while boomers don’t leave.
I worked in tech at a FAANG type start up and got job at 58 no problem. But I left it at 60 voluntarily as what was exciting and new and fun for the 23-29 year old I was no long excited about. Plus pay is fantastic if you are 28. But for a 60 year old not so much.
I found it easy to get as problem solvers, take home tasks, bar raisers we’re all grades with a score
What was your role and background, would love to learn from you.
Aren’t you a boomer?
Anonymous
02/25/2024 08:26
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X runs through 1980 -
Gen X might be in the work force till 2047 if they retire at 67.
Gen X can't retire. The Baby Boomers took most of the good jobs for our entire careers, and it wasn't until the pandemic that the younger ones with pensions decided they could leave to go golfing/enjoy their vacation places, etc. because "life's too short".
GenX is mostly not pensioned (unlike the Baby Boomers). And we've been kicked in the teeth so many times economically, I think you can expect to see us around for a lot longer.
I can remember when I just got out of college, the labor economists predicted good economic success for my "birth dearth" generation. Never happened. Until maybe post-pandemic. We'll see how long the current labor market conditions prevail.
GenX here. I graduated college in 1999, had a great 1 year and the dot.com burst.
Then 9/11
I got a Fed contracting job because they were only people still hiring.
Married in 2005, and wanted to buy a house but OMG so expensive now so can’t do that — we grew up poor
Love to move into Silicon Valley tech at this time, FB just founded, iPhone launched, but GenX is 30+, and ageism is established doctrine:
“ To be fair, that quote about old losers is from way back in 2007, when Zuck was but a grown child of 22 and not yet media trained. That was when Zuck said: “Young people are just smarter.”
And then the millenials arrive and squeeze the labor market, while boomers don’t leave.
I worked in tech at a FAANG type start up and got job at 58 no problem. But I left it at 60 voluntarily as what was exciting and new and fun for the 23-29 year old I was no long excited about. Plus pay is fantastic if you are 28. But for a 60 year old not so much.
I found it easy to get as problem solvers, take home tasks, bar raisers we’re all grades with a score
What was your role and background, would love to learn from you.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 04:03
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't worry about Gen X. We are a small cohort. Though we will probably work a long time.
I'm a hiring manager, and my current viewpoint is that I don't want to hire anyone under age 40. I'm so sick of inexperience and entitlement.
Care to explain this a bit?
Other perspective: it seems like employers are not really interested in training younger candidates. They want someone to "hit the ground running."
And what do you mean by entitlement?
I don't think lack of experience is necessarily a bad thing, but I guess it depends on your industry. Some "experienced" people are very set in their old ways of working... and they don't want to use data/technology.
DP but the “motive new staff “ thread below is a prime example. It’s about how new people are put off by a 90 day in person requirement during probation. A time when they are getting TRAINED and getting to know the staff and procedures and having a mentor on hand for feedback and questions. The need for that being in person shouldn’t need to be explained. Ones the newbies have proved themselves to be competent, reliable and self motivated then they can WFH but not before that.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 03:53
Subject: How old is too old?
Guitarists Ace Frehley from Kiss and Mick Mars from Motley Crüe each released a new solo album yesterday. They are both 72.
Anonymous
02/25/2024 03:39
Subject: How old is too old?
Anonymous wrote:Don't worry about Gen X. We are a small cohort. Though we will probably work a long time.
I'm a hiring manager, and my current viewpoint is that I don't want to hire anyone under age 40. I'm so sick of inexperience and entitlement.
Care to explain this a bit?
Other perspective: it seems like employers are not really interested in training younger candidates. They want someone to "hit the ground running."
And what do you mean by entitlement?
I don't think lack of experience is necessarily a bad thing, but I guess it depends on your industry. Some "experienced" people are very set in their old ways of working... and they don't want to use data/technology.