Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 22:46     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Michigan is a state school. The majority of students come from Michigan. They have a much different mission than Boston College, Tufts, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins.

They will not care about the SAT predicting college success. They care much more about equity.

Apples and oranges.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 22:37     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, if you got a B in the class and a 5 on the test and put that in your app, they won't notice?


I wonder how this works? I grew up in Michigan and there are some schools like International Academy and Detroit Country Day where B students can get 4 or 5s on APs. This kind of screws them.


UM doesn't want B students, especially in the purported age of grade inflation.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 22:25     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Happens at a lot of rigorous privates that grade harshly-that 5 on the AP exam no longer helps!
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 20:27     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:So, if you got a B in the class and a 5 on the test and put that in your app, they won't notice?


I wonder how this works? I grew up in Michigan and there are some schools like International Academy and Detroit Country Day where B students can get 4 or 5s on APs. This kind of screws them.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 20:06     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:So, if you got a B in the class and a 5 on the test and put that in your app, they won't notice?


Maybe they won’t allow it to go on the app. They can choose not to see parts of the common app. Some schools just don’t consider AP scores.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 19:53     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
So, if you got a B in the class and a 5 on the test and put that in your app, they won't notice?
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 17:32     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2024/02/standardized-test-scores-soon-optional-for-university-of-michigan-applicants.html?outputType=amp
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 17:30     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is this any different than this year?


It is different because now they will no longer accept AP/IB tests in place of SAT/ACT if you decide you want to send in a test.


And they just won’t consider AP test scores at all as part of admissions. Presumably you can still receive credit.


That's not how I read it. They just are no longer considering it as a substitute for SAT/ACT. "Other test scores (AP, IB, PSAT), which applicants may have available, will no longer be considered in their place."

They don't say they won't look at AP scores in other contexts. They also clearly like AP classes and (in the context of credit and skipping courses) say of them, "By succeeding in rigorous academics before you enroll at the University of Michigan, you demonstrate that you are more than prepared to succeed at one of the most academically challenging institutions in the country. However, in addition to completing your AP/IB course(s), you must also perform successfully on the exam and earn a high score." Charts show they accept 3, 4, 5 for various courses.


Another article said they won’t be considered at all
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 17:18     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is this any different than this year?


It is different because now they will no longer accept AP/IB tests in place of SAT/ACT if you decide you want to send in a test.


And they just won’t consider AP test scores at all as part of admissions. Presumably you can still receive credit.


That's not how I read it. They just are no longer considering it as a substitute for SAT/ACT. "Other test scores (AP, IB, PSAT), which applicants may have available, will no longer be considered in their place."

They don't say they won't look at AP scores in other contexts. They also clearly like AP classes and (in the context of credit and skipping courses) say of them, "By succeeding in rigorous academics before you enroll at the University of Michigan, you demonstrate that you are more than prepared to succeed at one of the most academically challenging institutions in the country. However, in addition to completing your AP/IB course(s), you must also perform successfully on the exam and earn a high score." Charts show they accept 3, 4, 5 for various courses.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 17:15     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Rolling my eyes as a Wolverine alum-disappointed in them for this decision.



Rolling my eyes because when you went to Michigan it was way easier to get accepted then now.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 17:09     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Guess the GDS kids are good to go for Michigan!


+1.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 16:36     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Rolling my eyes as a Wolverine alum-disappointed in them for this decision.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 16:23     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Michigan is in a very different category than the top schools. It is a large public that serves the citizens of Michigan. It historically has lower SAT scores than the top schools. It isn't meant to be an elite college. Keeping TO is their attempt at reaffirming their identity.

You'll see the selective privates, based on data that SAT's predict performance, rely more on the SAT. The public colleges, UC's, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Penn State having a different mission will be test optional.

I think that this will serve to shunt more and more top kids with strong stats into the most selective schools, to the detriment of the publics at the top end.


Except for Cornell, Columbia, Harvard, Northwestern, and others that are still TO.

Everyone is trying to see some trend toward requiring tests or looking for a pattern. There is no shift, and there is no pattern. Each school is deciding what it needs to do to make admissions work for them individually.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 16:10     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
People on this board used to speculate that Michigan’s “test flexible” policy meant that you really had to submit scores. Maybe Michigan is making it clear that you don’t.

I assume you can list AP honors or whatever it’s called as an award but they won’t consider it.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 16:08     Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan is in a very different category than the top schools. It is a large public that serves the citizens of Michigan. It historically has lower SAT scores than the top schools. It isn't meant to be an elite college. Keeping TO is their attempt at reaffirming their identity.

You'll see the selective privates, based on data that SAT's predict performance, rely more on the SAT. The public colleges, UC's, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Penn State having a different mission will be test optional.

I think that this will serve to shunt more and more top kids with strong stats into the most selective schools, to the detriment of the publics at the top end.


Purdue is the only public school in the country that makes you submit ACT and SAT scores that isn’t influenced by the state legislature. Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee schools are required by law to require test scores.


I think test scores in Georgia are only required at UGA and GA Tech.