Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on the sport. DD is an athletic recruit to an Ivy next year. She said one of her future teammates is dumb as dirt. She's only taken 1 AP her entire HS career and highest math was pre-calc. Sooo, if they are talented athletes the Ivy will exceptions with grades.

This post is really offensive.

I agree.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-tennis/roster/

OP. You said your DD is intrested tennis and Harvard is on her dream school list. Here’s the roster. Multiple state champions, five star recruits, blue chip recruits. I think you can see the quality here.

Here’s UVA for a top tennis team not Ivy. Same thing, five star recruits, international level tournaments. Can we please stop with the delusion that if your kid is a top high school player that they are going to one of these schools for tennis? https://virginiasports.com/sports/wten/roster/

D1, ok you are correct. But there are D3 top 30 schools that will recruit non international, not blue chip level players.

Well...the topic of this thread is Ivy League recruiting which is a D1 athletic league. Start a different D3 thread if you want.

Anonymous wrote:https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-tennis/roster/

OP. You said your DD is intrested tennis and Harvard is on her dream school list. Here’s the roster. Multiple state champions, five star recruits, blue chip recruits. I think you can see the quality here.

Here’s UVA for a top tennis team not Ivy. Same thing, five star recruits, international level tournaments. Can we please stop with the delusion that if your kid is a top high school player that they are going to one of these schools for tennis? https://virginiasports.com/sports/wten/roster/

D1, ok you are correct. But there are D3 top 30 schools that will recruit non international, not blue chip level players.

My son was recruited to an Ivy to play football. He’s no dope but never would have been a candidate for admission without a he athletics hook.

You need to educate yourself on two things. First the nature of Ivy need-based financial aid. As referenced earlier, the formulas may be generous, but not so much for upper middle class types living in high cost of living areas such as the DMV. Also the richest schools - HYP - give more, but you may be able to leverage an offer from them to get more $$ from a place like Dartmouth. I’ve always wondered if one can do the same with an offer from smaller rich schools like Amherst.

Second, the Academic Index. Pretty simple to look this up so I won’t get into details. They take grades, class rank and board scores and feed it into some sort of flux capacitor to generate a score 1-4 that shows how close the recruit is to the median student. Football is separate from the other sports and non-football recruits need to understand that each school will have a different approach to how they allocate slots among various sports.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know a couple ivy athletes. They are INCREDIBLY smart (like, 4.9 W GPA) and play at a high level. They also had A LOT of coach support and running interference for them

Keep in mind, however, while the ivies do give need based aid, they give NO athletic money. And little/no merit for "regular" umc families. I know a couple of kids who are deciding right now whether to turn down and ivy offer b/c they were given zero money. It's a hard decision. And we are in a similar boat of likely turning down a top school out of inability to pay full freight (no merit given) and no athletic money given.

It's a bitter pill but is a reality.

This is true. I have seen students turn down Ivy offers when they get athletic scholarships elsewhere. Additionally, they can be turned down by students who aspire to play certain sports professionally, like opting to play football at Michigan or Penn State versus Dartmouth.

Every now and then there is an Ivy kid that makes it to the pros for football/basketball/basebal (Bengals have a Princeton guy, Chiefs have a Penn WR), but it is rare for Dartmouth to be competing against Stanford (better example) or even Alabama for a 5 Star recruit that can play professionally.

Hockey is the one massive exception where a number of Ivy schools (Harvard, Dartmouth) are top-ranked NCAA teams and do produce NHL players.

Anonymous wrote:Know a couple ivy athletes. They are INCREDIBLY smart (like, 4.9 W GPA) and play at a high level. They also had A LOT of coach support and running interference for them

Keep in mind, however, while the ivies do give need based aid, they give NO athletic money. And little/no merit for "regular" umc families. I know a couple of kids who are deciding right now whether to turn down and ivy offer b/c they were given zero money. It's a hard decision. And we are in a similar boat of likely turning down a top school out of inability to pay full freight (no merit given) and no athletic money given.

It's a bitter pill but is a reality.

This is true. I have seen students turn down Ivy offers when they get athletic scholarships elsewhere. Additionally, they can be turned down by students who aspire to play certain sports professionally, like opting to play football at Michigan or Penn State versus Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know a couple ivy athletes. They are INCREDIBLY smart (like, 4.9 W GPA) and play at a high level. They also had A LOT of coach support and running interference for them

Keep in mind, however, while the ivies do give need based aid, they give NO athletic money. And little/no merit for "regular" umc families. I know a couple of kids who are deciding right now whether to turn down and ivy offer b/c they were given zero money. It's a hard decision. And we are in a similar boat of likely turning down a top school out of inability to pay full freight (no merit given) and no athletic money given.

It's a bitter pill but is a reality.

You are too early...this is where the Ivy booster clubs will start filling in some of the gaps for the relatively high-profile sports. The coach will refer you to somebody at boosters who may sign you to an NIL deal to "close the deal". They don't care about need.

We are not a high profile sport and we have no booster connections. So this is not happening for us.

Not to get into the weeds...but you don't need booster connections. All the Ivy league schools are releasing their NIL guidelines which will allow booster networks.

I would not be shocked if multiple teams with wealthy alums create booster networks. In that instance, if you are highly recruited and have already been accepted by the school, the coach will put you in contact with the field hockey/squash/fencing head of boosters and you will try to work out a financial arrangement.

I know of football players recruited to multiple Ivies. Not sure what caliber students they were. They were good, though not especially amazing, players. Same with track & field (jumping and throwing). For some sports, both academic and athletic standards may be lowered (compared to the athletic expectations at large school, non-Ivy D-1s).

Friends kid was recruited and it was all about being on a specific club team with a specific coach. Then there was fierce infighting and competition within the team about who got which sport at which school, but every single one of them ended up on an ivy team.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on the sport. DD is an athletic recruit to an Ivy next year. She said one of her future teammates is dumb as dirt. She's only taken 1 AP her entire HS career and highest math was pre-calc. Sooo, if they are talented athletes the Ivy will exceptions with grades.

What a lovely child you’ve raised. 😒

Seriously. I would be so embarrassed and horrified if I had a child with a mouth like that. What an awful person the PP has produced.

NP. You and the other holier than thou parents are hilarious. Admit it was a rude comment but to question poster and kid's character is ridiculous. I'm sure you and your angels never pass judgment on anyone. Hypocrites.

My kid has never and would never say something like that about a teammate. Of course my kid is far from a perfect kid, but that was a truly awful thing to say about a teammate. It does show a lack of character. That kind of awful description of teammates — people that child spends many hours with — is pretty far out of the norm, which is why people are so shocked.

It's not a nice thing to say at all. Maybe the child is offended because they had to work at both their academics and sport to get in. Still most Ivy kids are judge-y and some are not so nice.

Anonymous wrote:Depends on the sport. DD is an athletic recruit to an Ivy next year. She said one of her future teammates is dumb as dirt. She's only taken 1 AP her entire HS career and highest math was pre-calc. Sooo, if they are talented athletes the Ivy will exceptions with grades.

This is an absolute lie unless you disclose the school and sport. I’m certain of this because at top schools, coaches are clear that grades and testing matter.

I know of multiple children of trustees who made it onto Ivy teams. Become a member of the governing boards?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on the sport. DD is an athletic recruit to an Ivy next year. She said one of her future teammates is dumb as dirt. She's only taken 1 AP her entire HS career and highest math was pre-calc. Sooo, if they are talented athletes the Ivy will exceptions with grades.

What a lovely child you’ve raised. 😒

Seriously. I would be so embarrassed and horrified if I had a child with a mouth like that. What an awful person the PP has produced.

NP. You and the other holier than thou parents are hilarious. Admit it was a rude comment but to question poster and kid's character is ridiculous. I'm sure you and your angels never pass judgment on anyone. Hypocrites.

My kid has never and would never say something like that about a teammate. Of course my kid is far from a perfect kid, but that was a truly awful thing to say about a teammate. It does show a lack of character. That kind of awful description of teammates — people that child spends many hours with — is pretty far out of the norm, which is why people are so shocked.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Know a couple ivy athletes. They are INCREDIBLY smart (like, 4.9 W GPA) and play at a high level. They also had A LOT of coach support and running interference for them

Keep in mind, however, while the ivies do give need based aid, they give NO athletic money. And little/no merit for "regular" umc families. I know a couple of kids who are deciding right now whether to turn down and ivy offer b/c they were given zero money. It's a hard decision. And we are in a similar boat of likely turning down a top school out of inability to pay full freight (no merit given) and no athletic money given.

It's a bitter pill but is a reality.

You are too early...this is where the Ivy booster clubs will start filling in some of the gaps for the relatively high-profile sports. The coach will refer you to somebody at boosters who may sign you to an NIL deal to "close the deal". They don't care about need.

We are not a high profile sport and we have no booster connections. So this is not happening for us.

You have to be a very good athlete, and many of the sports teams (field hockey is a big one) are full of international students.