Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 23:16     Subject: Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I liked the first one a lot. I wish they had kept in a little bit more about how the atreides knew they were likely walking into a trap but had to do it anyway. There is also a dinner scene in the book where the complicated politics of arrakis are laid out.

I don’t think the movie necessarily suffers for not having them, but I think it could’ve added to the richness of the film


I didn’t read the book. What happens in this scene?


It's a book reader favorite where the Atreides hold a banquet to get a feel for the local power brokers. Paul figures out an imperial banker brought a beautiful woman to seduce and assassinate him. He then interrupts a toast to insult the banker causing the Atreides guards and Gurney to go into defense mode.

It's a fascinating read that doesn't translate well onto the screen. The entire dinner is everyone spying on each other, quietly observing others reactions, and puzzling out who best to use or support. Paul, Gurney, and Jessica all independently figure out the imperial banker is actually from the Harkonnen planet by noticing different, very subtle things that are explained in the book. People wouldn't really want to spend 30 minutes of the movie watching people talk but not hearing the thought processes and silent epiphanies going on.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 19:24     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 19:07     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


Ha ha, this is actually true! They get sent to the spice planet, they arrive, they get attacked by bad guys, the mom and son flee and join the desert tribe. He has a billion daydreams interspersed. That’s about it!

It was gorgeous to look at though. Loved seeing all the alien species and hearing the emperor throat singing. Are the books well written?


A lot happens. They go from being one of the strongest houses and on their home planet to fleeing to the desert and knowing the emperor sanctioned the move against them. Paul kills a man and through killing him, grows up and earns his credibility with the fremen. The first movie also had to explain the immensely complex and rich world these characters live in for those who know nothing about the books. I usually hate breaking stories up like this— it’s often a cash grab. But it made sense here.

The books are good, I think. They were a huge favorite of mine as a teenager. They held up on a recent re-read, too.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 19:06     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


Ha ha, this is actually true! They get sent to the spice planet, they arrive, they get attacked by bad guys, the mom and son flee and join the desert tribe. He has a billion daydreams interspersed. That’s about it!

It was gorgeous to look at though. Loved seeing all the alien species and hearing the emperor throat singing. Are the books well written?



A lot happens. They go from being one of the strongest houses and on their home planet to fleeing to the desert and knowing the emperor sanctioned the move against them. Paul kills a man and through killing him, grows up and earns his credibility with the fremen. The first movie also had to explain the immensely complex and rich world these characters live in for those who know nothing about the books.

I usually hate breaking stories up like this— it’s often a cash grab. But it made sense here.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 19:02     Subject: Dune Part 2
I saw part one as stage-setting. It introduces most of the major characters/sects, the backdrop/politics, and sets the stakes. It had a ton of style and was weird as hell with amazing detail. I loved it.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 18:50     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


Ha ha, this is actually true! They get sent to the spice planet, they arrive, they get attacked by bad guys, the mom and son flee and join the desert tribe. He has a billion daydreams interspersed. That’s about it!

It was gorgeous to look at though. Loved seeing all the alien species and hearing the emperor throat singing. Are the books well written?



A lot more happens in the 2nd half of the film so Dune 2 is going to be a lot more action packed.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 15:47     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


Ha ha, this is actually true! They get sent to the spice planet, they arrive, they get attacked by bad guys, the mom and son flee and join the desert tribe. He has a billion daydreams interspersed. That’s about it!

It was gorgeous to look at though. Loved seeing all the alien species and hearing the emperor throat singing. Are the books well written?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:46     Subject: Dune Part 2
Nevermind- everything everywhere all at once

Got it
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 12:45     Subject: Dune Part 2
EEAAO?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 10:52     Subject: Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:I was a huge fan of the books as a kid and was completely surprised by this interpretation. I loved how slow and strange part one was. It was a lot of (gorgeous) scene setting and character development; the director has said part 2 will be when the real action starts.


Sorry, what character development, exactly? There was absolutely no character development IMO and with the exception of Momoa (!?) the acting was awful, what little dialogue there was was awful, and the random changes were ineffective at best (like the random gender swap of Kynes who was my favorite book character). And Momoa CLEARLY should have been Gurney Halleck rather than Duncan Idaho. And did we really need 45 minutes of Chani in slow motion?

For what it’s worth, I also think EEAAO is one of the most overrated films I have ever seen that went on for at least one act too long, with a trite and shallow story and (with the exception of Yeoh) subpar acting. So I am clearly out of touch with what everyone else seems to find amazing and intelligent and deep these days.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2024 10:35     Subject: Dune Part 2
I was a huge fan of the books as a kid and was completely surprised by this interpretation. I loved how slow and strange part one was. It was a lot of (gorgeous) scene setting and character development; the director has said part 2 will be when the real action starts.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 19:04     Subject: Dune Part 2
As someone who didn’t read the book, I was very confused. But since I was watching at home, I read the Wikipedia entry as I went along, when I got confused. It helped a lot. And the second viewing was great, everything was clear.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 18:43     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


NP. It's a fascinating movie because it's almost an impression of a movie rather than a regular movie. It's scenes from a movie, images. Yes, a lot of style. It's also setting the stage for the story that will come in Part Two.

I really enjoyed Part One but I also thought it was strange and would be very difficult for people who don't already know the story. A very different movie experience from the usual.
I read a primer before I saw the first one in the theater. I knew I’d need a basic understanding of the world and characters. That was all I needed and I followed along fine. It’s certainly not the best movie ever, but I liked it well enough to go see the second one. I mean…for a matinee. Let’s not get crazy here.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 17:30     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


NP. It's a fascinating movie because it's almost an impression of a movie rather than a regular movie. It's scenes from a movie, images. Yes, a lot of style. It's also setting the stage for the story that will come in Part Two.

I really enjoyed Part One but I also thought it was strange and would be very difficult for people who don't already know the story. A very different movie experience from the usual.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2024 16:44     Subject: Re:Dune Part 2
Anonymous wrote:This version was so freaking terrible that I feel like there is some sort of societal gaslighting going on every time people rave about how phenomenal it is. They managed to make a film in which SO MUCH HAPPENS and yet it feels like a long, boring slog in which NOTHING HAPPENS. It was unclear who half the characters even were, and I didn’t come away from the first film giving a single sh!t about any of them.

This version is ALL style, NO substance.

And I say this as someone who counts the book as my favorite book of all time. This version was such a disappointment.


I was a bit disappointed the first time I watched it but I saw it again recently and was blown away. The details and characters really clicked on a second look.