Anonymous
02/17/2024 15:17
Subject: Re:Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes you can, look at El Salvador after their mass incarceration campaign to break the back of gangs. Their country has improved dramatically:
When you lockup criminals, crime goes down. Really common sense logic.
No due process and many innocent people swept up in and jailed. I don’t think this is the model we want to follow.
Suggest this Daily (NYT) podcast episode on the El Salvador experience.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Ozc2iXnE1Z4bLF6k2QABa?si=NDRpJa-JQO2c1EOxxSfmRw
Boo hoo.
El Salvador’s problem was so bad with crime and violence that society could not function. If you have to crack a few eggs to improve the vast majority of law abiding citizens’ lives in El Salvador so what? No solution is perfect, but what El Salvador did has once allowed a basic civil society to exist. Before gangs would rape and kill your whole family for looking at them the wrong way. It was ungovernable. Bleeding hearts should have been forced to live in El Salvador before and after.
+100
Where were all of these people outraged about civil liberties when small business owners were forced to pay a monthly fee to gangs to continue doing business? Or when women were being raped by gang members? P
Anonymous
02/17/2024 12:01
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Even Morning Joe members are fed up with crime here. And Bowser seems more interested in putting out press releases about how to ruin Ward 3.
https://x.com/RyanSPowers/status/1758140793083036131?s=20
Bowser wants more “urban vibrancy” in Ward 3. Well, Madam Mayor has delivered. Look how the crime stats correlate quite tightly with the “voucher villages” that have taken over some apartment buildings along Connecticut Ave. And Bowser wants still more vouchers, more density, more “vibrancy” in Ward 3.
Anonymous
02/17/2024 11:57
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Once again, violence interrupters is about $$$ for service which was started by a wife beater. This is a fact.
These jobs are at $70,000 a pop and have resulted in what?
Well, jobs at $70,000 a pop….that can be doled out to political supporters of the mayor and certain council members.
Anonymous
02/16/2024 23:35
Subject: Re:Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes you can, look at El Salvador after their mass incarceration campaign to break the back of gangs. Their country has improved dramatically:
When you lockup criminals, crime goes down. Really common sense logic.
No due process and many innocent people swept up in and jailed. I don’t think this is the model we want to follow.
Suggest this Daily (NYT) podcast episode on the El Salvador experience.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Ozc2iXnE1Z4bLF6k2QABa?si=NDRpJa-JQO2c1EOxxSfmRw
Boo hoo.
El Salvador’s problem was so bad with crime and violence that society could not function. If you have to crack a few eggs to improve the vast majority of law abiding citizens’ lives in El Salvador so what? No solution is perfect, but what El Salvador did has once allowed a basic civil society to exist. Before gangs would rape and kill your whole family for looking at them the wrong way. It was ungovernable. Bleeding hearts should have been forced to live in El Salvador before and after.
Anonymous
02/16/2024 21:45
Subject: Re:Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes you can, look at El Salvador after their mass incarceration campaign to break the back of gangs. Their country has improved dramatically:
When you lockup criminals, crime goes down. Really common sense logic.
No due process and many innocent people swept up in and jailed. I don’t think this is the model we want to follow.
Suggest this Daily (NYT) podcast episode on the El Salvador experience.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Ozc2iXnE1Z4bLF6k2QABa?si=NDRpJa-JQO2c1EOxxSfmRw
Anonymous
Anonymous
02/16/2024 20:37
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Even Morning Joe members are fed up with crime here. And Bowser seems more interested in putting out press releases about how to ruin Ward 3.
https://x.com/RyanSPowers/status/1758140793083036131?s=20
https://x.com/RyanSPowers/status/1758140793083036131?s=20
Anonymous
02/16/2024 20:34
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Schwalb has completely insulated himself from his own bad decisions. He lives in the richest area of the richest neighborhood of the richest Ward. He sent his kids to one of the most elite private schools in the country. He would never dream of sending his kids to school with the poors. His little social experiment gets him feted at progressive cocktail parties while the rest of us suffer.
Anonymous
02/16/2024 20:15
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
If he means we need more police funding, staffing and training, upgraded facilities for detainees, more public defenders, social workers, etc...
... we can push for that. Safety should be a priority.
Anonymous
02/16/2024 20:11
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People jumping straight to El Salvador and Giuliani are playing right into this guy's hands. The options aren't stop and frisk and desaparecidos or "guess it's my turn to get carjacked by 13 year olds at gunpoint! Fair is fair!"
We don't need to violate the Constitution to paper arrests. The problem in DC is not that people aren't willing to "break a few eggs" by rounding up innocent people. The problem is that guilty people - people caught mid-crime IN THE STOLEN CAR - are not getting their arrests papered. We don't need to round up innocent people to intimidate criminals, we just need to actually enforce the laws on the books. Even if it's a teenager, even if it's a poor person. If you have an illegal gun, you should go to jail. If you steal a car, you should go to jail. Not everyone who looks like you, just you. Every time.
And we need Norwegian style rehabilitative jails, and economic opportunity and clean, healthy environments for people in poverty. We can't police and arrest our way out of that.
When the jailers are as criminal as the jailed, you can't police as arrest your way out of that.
Ah yes, Norway where one can kill 77 people, the vast majority who are youth— and get a max 21 years in jail and be up for parole after 10. And where you get to play playstation!
https://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-norway-breivik-hunger-strike-20140218-story.html#ixzz2tqGiYpbV
Anonymous
02/16/2024 20:00
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Of course it’s possible. It’s not that every person is a criminal. Especially not the violent kind that’s committing armed robberies. Get rid of the bad apples and let the rest live in a safer, nicer community.
Anonymous
02/16/2024 19:57
Subject: Re:Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes you can, look at El Salvador after their mass incarceration campaign to break the back of gangs. Their country has improved dramatically:
When you lockup criminals, crime goes down. Really common sense logic.
No due process and many innocent people swept up in and jailed. I don’t think this is the model we want to follow.
It worked though, and the President is immensely popular with the general population.
So I mean, it is definitely possible to incarcerate your way to lower crime
Anonymous
02/16/2024 19:48
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Disagree. It’s completely possible. Ask anyone who grew up in or around NYC in the late 1980’s. NYC was a total sewer. Really not that far off from the movie Warriors. Giuliani (before he went insane) was elected in 1994 and cleaned up the city. It was an amazing renaissance. NYC was amazing in the late 1990s.
Yeah, illegally arresting tons of black and brown people in NYC really cleaned up the city. Great job, Rudy!
Actually, arresting everyone committing quality of life crimes DID clean up the city. Had an enormous impact. Bonus points for rounding up the mentally ill homeless and shipping them to NJ.
good times. No really, good times
Anonymous
02/16/2024 19:18
Subject: Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:People jumping straight to El Salvador and Giuliani are playing right into this guy's hands. The options aren't stop and frisk and desaparecidos or "guess it's my turn to get carjacked by 13 year olds at gunpoint! Fair is fair!"
We don't need to violate the Constitution to paper arrests. The problem in DC is not that people aren't willing to "break a few eggs" by rounding up innocent people. The problem is that guilty people - people caught mid-crime IN THE STOLEN CAR - are not getting their arrests papered. We don't need to round up innocent people to intimidate criminals, we just need to actually enforce the laws on the books. Even if it's a teenager, even if it's a poor person. If you have an illegal gun, you should go to jail. If you steal a car, you should go to jail. Not everyone who looks like you, just you. Every time.
Who said violate the Constitution? The Constitution is flexible though. Bend it as much as legally is allowed and go full El Salvador on criminals in DC as much as you can. I really don't care about the rights of criminal scum anymore. They are terrorists who inflict suffering on our population.
Anonymous
02/16/2024 17:51
Subject: Re:Crime: “We cannot arrest and prosecute our way out of it.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes you can, look at El Salvador after their mass incarceration campaign to break the back of gangs. Their country has improved dramatically:
When you lockup criminals, crime goes down. Really common sense logic.
No due process and many innocent people swept up in and jailed. I don’t think this is the model we want to follow.
You said the exact same thing back when Giuliani’s reforms made NYC safe, and saved all those lives (primarily the lives of underprivileged Black and POC men, who would otherwise be dead).
Today in DC, all the innocent residents are victimized by criminals who face no consequences.
true, which is why i am leaving.