Anonymous wrote:I'm the other poster asking about (and not getting helpful responses on) surrogacy.

Weirdly, I'm in a very similar position as you. I've joined some groups online to learn more about the process. There are altruistic surrogates or ones that do it for lower fees (e.g. medical costs). But the agencies do take a big fee regardless.

Might be possible to find a surrogacy lawyer that has some suggestions for managing an independent relationship not through an agency.

Anonymous wrote:I'm the other poster asking about (and not getting helpful responses on) surrogacy.

Weirdly, I'm in a very similar position as you. I've joined some groups online to learn more about the process. There are altruistic surrogates or ones that do it for lower fees (e.g. medical costs). But the agencies do take a big fee regardless.

Might be possible to find a surrogacy lawyer that has some suggestions for managing an independent relationship not through an agency.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of sad people trying to control women on here. Who are you to say a woman can't provide a service with her body if she wants? Wow, so much sexism -- kind of disgusting. OP here, btw.

Lots say it including women. Women are not for exploiting, sexist prick.

Anonymous wrote:Lot of sad people trying to control women on here. Who are you to say a woman can't provide a service with her body if she wants? Wow, so much sexism -- kind of disgusting. OP here, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a typical request you’d use an agency for.

Is it? OK, that is helpful to know if true. Just seems like most things I read are about people going to agencies to either have the surrogate help them create a baby, or have them work with IVF places to get pregnant (i.e., continue to go through IVF process). We literally only have one embryo to transfer and that is it -- no more IVF, etc. In any event, helpful to know, thanks.

As for the peanut gallery, reading about people taking issue surrogacy on here is one of the more bizarre things I see. I get the problems with forced surrogacy overseas, but I can't for the life of me see how someone could take issue with someone want to help someone else start a family when they are unable to for health reasons. But obviously many must like to troll and/or watch the world burn. It is at least good entertainment reading the responses, so I appreciate that part of it.

It is off putting how you feel entitled to a surrogate (someone else’s body) to help you have a baby.

Amusing how people read into things to fit their agendas. Not sure how you got "entitled" out of my posts, but you do you. I guess I feel entitled to have someone clean my houses, do my taxes, check me out at the grocery store, bring me my food at a restaurant, etc. Gosh, I am feeling really entitled -- feels good.

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a typical request you’d use an agency for.

Is it? OK, that is helpful to know if true. Just seems like most things I read are about people going to agencies to either have the surrogate help them create a baby, or have them work with IVF places to get pregnant (i.e., continue to go through IVF process). We literally only have one embryo to transfer and that is it -- no more IVF, etc. In any event, helpful to know, thanks.

As for the peanut gallery, reading about people taking issue surrogacy on here is one of the more bizarre things I see. I get the problems with forced surrogacy overseas, but I can't for the life of me see how someone could take issue with someone want to help someone else start a family when they are unable to for health reasons. But obviously many must like to troll and/or watch the world burn. It is at least good entertainment reading the responses, so I appreciate that part of it.

It is off putting how you feel entitled to a surrogate (someone else’s body) to help you have a baby.

Amusing how people read into things to fit their agendas. Not sure how you got "entitled" out of my posts, but you do you. I guess I feel entitled to have someone clean my houses, do my taxes, check me out at the grocery store, bring me my food at a restaurant, etc. Gosh, I am feeling really entitled -- feels good.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - the desperate women are the women forced for financial reasons to carry your embryo. The very fact that you thought about yourself first and not the womb-for-hire is very telling.

+1. There’s a reason that surrogacy is illegal in much of Western Europe. It’s exploitive.

Do you believe that about prostitution? Organ donation? Sperm donation? Egg donation? Maid services? Any other services? Aren't all services exploitative by that definition?

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a typical request you’d use an agency for.

Is it? OK, that is helpful to know if true. Just seems like most things I read are about people going to agencies to either have the surrogate help them create a baby, or have them work with IVF places to get pregnant (i.e., continue to go through IVF process). We literally only have one embryo to transfer and that is it -- no more IVF, etc. In any event, helpful to know, thanks.

As for the peanut gallery, reading about people taking issue surrogacy on here is one of the more bizarre things I see. I get the problems with forced surrogacy overseas, but I can't for the life of me see how someone could take issue with someone want to help someone else start a family when they are unable to for health reasons. But obviously many must like to troll and/or watch the world burn. It is at least good entertainment reading the responses, so I appreciate that part of it.

It is off putting how you feel entitled to a surrogate (someone else’s body) to help you have a baby.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - the desperate women are the women forced for financial reasons to carry your embryo. The very fact that you thought about yourself first and not the womb-for-hire is very telling.

+1. There’s a reason that surrogacy is illegal in much of Western Europe. It’s exploitive.

Do you believe that about prostitution? Organ donation? Sperm donation? Egg donation? Maid services? Any other services? Aren't all services exploitative by that definition?

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a typical request you’d use an agency for.

Is it? OK, that is helpful to know if true. Just seems like most things I read are about people going to agencies to either have the surrogate help them create a baby, or have them work with IVF places to get pregnant (i.e., continue to go through IVF process). We literally only have one embryo to transfer and that is it -- no more IVF, etc. In any event, helpful to know, thanks.

As for the peanut gallery, reading about people taking issue surrogacy on here is one of the more bizarre things I see. I get the problems with forced surrogacy overseas, but I can't for the life of me see how someone could take issue with someone want to help someone else start a family when they are unable to for health reasons. But obviously many must like to troll and/or watch the world burn. It is at least good entertainment reading the responses, so I appreciate that part of it.

You can’t see the issue of commoditizing babies? You seriously don’t see the ethics issue with that? Are you that obtuse?
Watch the world burn? What are you talking about? Are you medicating?

OK, got for it. I will give you a brief audience. Tell me why you think my situation is "commoditizing babies." This should be good.

I underestimated you; you are more obtuse than I gave you credit for.

Thank you, Mr. Dufresne. And great response -- very educational.

You should not have any children if you cannot put it together yourself.

The common refrain of somehow who has nothing to say: "IF YOU DON'T KNOW ALREADY, THEN I CAN'T HELP YOU" Ha, classic.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - the desperate women are the women forced for financial reasons to carry your embryo. The very fact that you thought about yourself first and not the womb-for-hire is very telling.

+1. There’s a reason that surrogacy is illegal in much of Western Europe. It’s exploitive.

Do you believe that about prostitution? Organ donation? Sperm donation? Egg donation? Maid services? Any other services? Aren't all services exploitative by that definition?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a typical request you’d use an agency for.

Is it? OK, that is helpful to know if true. Just seems like most things I read are about people going to agencies to either have the surrogate help them create a baby, or have them work with IVF places to get pregnant (i.e., continue to go through IVF process). We literally only have one embryo to transfer and that is it -- no more IVF, etc. In any event, helpful to know, thanks.

As for the peanut gallery, reading about people taking issue surrogacy on here is one of the more bizarre things I see. I get the problems with forced surrogacy overseas, but I can't for the life of me see how someone could take issue with someone want to help someone else start a family when they are unable to for health reasons. But obviously many must like to troll and/or watch the world burn. It is at least good entertainment reading the responses, so I appreciate that part of it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - the desperate women are the women forced for financial reasons to carry your embryo. The very fact that you thought about yourself first and not the womb-for-hire is very telling.

+1. There’s a reason that surrogacy is illegal in much of Western Europe. It’s exploitive.