Anonymous
Anonymous
02/11/2024 10:32
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:Trump spent four years as President yet still has no clue how anything works and he is especially dangerous because he believes he already knows everything so he can’t be educated or advised or corrected. He lives in his imaginary world where whatever serves his personal selfish interests must be true.
Yeah we’ve seen how the “smart people” operate way stupider than MAGA. Trump was right…everything they do is stupid.
Anonymous
02/11/2024 10:27
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Trump spent four years as President yet still has no clue how anything works and he is especially dangerous because he believes he already knows everything so he can’t be educated or advised or corrected. He lives in his imaginary world where whatever serves his personal selfish interests must be true.
Anonymous
02/11/2024 10:18
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:
This actually happened, though, so FFS please take him literally and seriously.
Trump vowed he’d ‘never’ help Europe if it’s attacked, top EU official says
‘By the way NATO is dead,’ the former (and potential future) US president added in private meeting.
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/
The part that didn't happen is related to "payments" since there is no NATO fund that countries pay into.
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:57
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
This actually happened, though, so FFS please take him literally and seriously.
Trump vowed he’d ‘never’ help Europe if it’s attacked, top EU official says
‘By the way NATO is dead,’ the former (and potential future) US president added in private meeting.
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:54
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:Maga really hates the post world war 2 world order.
They would have let Hitler take the globe.
To be fair, MAGA are just brainwashed. It is the folks o Russia's payroll, Trump, Bannon, Stone, certain Senators and Congressmen, most of whom are compromised by extramarital or underage sex (see Epstein)
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:53
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump vowed he’d ‘never’ help Europe if it’s attacked, top EU official says
‘By the way NATO is dead,’ the former (and potential future) US president added in private meeting.
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/
"You need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you and to support you," Trump told European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in 2020, according to French European Commissioner Thierry Breton, who was also present at a meeting at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
From the politico article.
Sounds like he'd keep Americans out of a European war to me.
Most NATO allies paid less than 2% of their GDP in 2017. Since Trump's threat, things have imporved dramatically.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country
The US doesn't exist to bail out Europe every time it gets into a war.
It wasn't "Trump's threat" - it started with Obama:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obama-nato-pay-fair-share-231405
You all keep attributing stuff to Trump where Trump falsely claims credit, alas.
Anonymous
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:52
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:Since Biden, Haley, and RFK jr all seem to be salivating in one way or they other to support either Israel or Ukraine, maybe Trump is the only anti-war candidate.
It isn't antiwar, it is conceding to an authoritarian. And in the end, it wouldn't be Trump or the US who are the alpha dog. It would be Putin.
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:52
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump vowed he’d ‘never’ help Europe if it’s attacked, top EU official says
‘By the way NATO is dead,’ the former (and potential future) US president added in private meeting.
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/
"You need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you and to support you," Trump told European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in 2020, according to French European Commissioner Thierry Breton, who was also present at a meeting at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
From the politico article.
Sounds like he'd keep Americans out of a European war to me.
And when that happens, all of the markets that US companies sell to collapse and go away. How is that a win for the US Economy?
Anonymous
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:49
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump is encouraging Russia to attack our NATO allies. Who are the jackasses in our country who continue to support him?
Trump said he wouldn’t protect them.
They want us to spend billions to protect them. We do.
We have saved Europe 2 times already.
Why do they depend on us to protect them? Are they not capable of protecting their own country?
You send your children to die in Europe while their children stay safe at home.
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Europe lost an entire generation of men in WWI and 21 years later lost another generation in WWII. Contrary to what you believe, ignorance is not bliss.
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:48
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:President Trump had no new wars start with him in office. Biden has to keep all the defense contractors happy with new wars!! He is doing a great job at providing them plenty of work!!
Trump attacked Yemen on his ninth day in office. Up to 30 civilians and a Navy SEAL were killed. Trump refused to meet with the SEAL's father. The father criticized Trump saying;
"Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones — because there was not a target worth one American life. Now, all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/27/517496770/father-of-navy-seal-killed-in-yemen-raid-has-harsh-words-for-trump
Trump is not the pacifist that exists in your imagination.
+1
there was also that false flag in syria with the airstrip bombing and the bomings in remote iraq, iran and Syria, not to mention the continuing efforts in Afghanistan until Trump negotiated away everything to the enemy.
Anonymous
02/11/2024 09:47
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:From CNN article: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/politics/donald-trump-israel-netanyahu-diplomacy/index.html
"The former president is advocating a return to his “America First” nationalist foreign policy, prizes tough talk and ruthlessness on the global stage, and remains disdainful of allies and the international security architecture that has been the foundation of American power since the end of World War II. While these are positions that would represent a sharp transformation of US foreign policy, it is quite legitimate for him to present them to voters and try to win support for his vision."
Yep, love it or hate it, it's a major shift away from funding and being involved in regional conflicts all over the globe. Possibly unique in our political system where both old school Republicans and moderate Democrats are pro-war.
The opposite of this is not peace, it is letting authoritarians take control of the world assets. That is not a win for the US, or the companies that drive out capitalist society. It isn't a matter of being "pro-war" it is matter of preventing catastrophic war in light of nuclear solutions to angered nations. No one in the US WANTS war. It would be a lot better if bad actors like Putin were put out of power. Short of that, we can either let one country invade another, or we can do what we can to maintain some sort of order. Why is Russia at war in Ukraine? Who knows, but Ukraine is a soverign country that has been invaded. We either let Russia invade and take them over, or we support Ukraine. Why should Russia be allowed to just take another country?
jsteele
02/11/2024 09:44
Subject: Trump full blown unamerican war monger
Anonymous wrote:President Trump had no new wars start with him in office. Biden has to keep all the defense contractors happy with new wars!! He is doing a great job at providing them plenty of work!!
Trump attacked Yemen on his ninth day in office. Up to 30 civilians and a Navy SEAL were killed. Trump refused to meet with the SEAL's father. The father criticized Trump saying;
"Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn't even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones — because there was not a target worth one American life. Now, all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?"
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/27/517496770/father-of-navy-seal-killed-in-yemen-raid-has-harsh-words-for-trump
Trump is not the pacifist that exists in your imagination.