Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:24
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment
There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.
Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.
The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.
disagree. I think the SAT allows schools to find the kid who is 250 over their high school's average, even if it's far under Dartmouth's average. So the 1400.
That's a good thing. Bring them in.
The bad thing is the kid at Scarsdale High (or private equivalent) who somehow has a 4.0 because of grade inflation, published research (cause they paid for it), tennis player, and impressive internship (at Aunt's job). And because of TO, doesn't have to let their 1300 hold them back.
Completely agree.
yep, like MCPS, Fairfax and the worst offender: DCPS (JR with their 4.8s and yet can't crack 1400 on the SAT--my kid has so many white, upper middle class friends like this at JR)
The average SAT score at JR is 1055. A lot of kids there don’t crack 1100.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:24
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.
Exactly!!! It’s a 3-hour test. And these “brilliant” wealthy kids just didn’t have the time to take it. Give me a break.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:22
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment
There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.
Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.
Comprehension is not a strong suit here.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:22
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oh wow. Good for them.
I wonder what this will do for admissions number for them if they're the only ones in the Ivy league (or top 20) or whatever that does this?
If MIT is a reference point, applications will likely drop by 25%+. Still means like 23,000 for 1200 slots.
As more schools go test required, the app numbers will stabilize
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:22
Subject: Re:Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting to learn that AOs have access to test score after the applications process. I was not aware of that. The article points out the underprivileged kids who might have been helped with a solid even if not stellar SAT score. I wonder though, if after three years, the college also found that it admitted a less qualified student body overall. We will never know this of course.
My kid’s scores were known by schools right after he took the ACT. Colleges purchase the list from the college board according to criteria they want. Later that month he had mailings from Yale and Harvard that specifically commended him on his recent test scores.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:20
Subject: Re:Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
YES!
As a former poor kid, I have been arguing this point here for several years now, that test optional hurts smart and brilliant poor kids and students from underrepresented communities, and only helps mediocre rich and upper middle class kids.
The SATs captures those smart and brilliant kids from less than ideal circumstances who will thrive in a challenging school environment.
Of course, most of the DCUM posters were emphatically against my posts.
I am happy to see the schools are starting to swing back towards the center, and away from fads that are not based on facts.
"...There are hundreds of less-advantaged applicants with scores in the 1,400 range who should be submitting scores to identify themselves to admissions, but do not under test-optional policies.” Some of these applicants were rejected because the admissions office could not be confident about their academic qualifications. The students would have probably been accepted had they submitted their test scores, Lee Coffin, Dartmouth’s dean of admissions, told me...."
As a former poor kid, I have been arguing this point here for several years now, that test optional hurts smart and brilliant poor kids and students from underrepresented communities, and only helps mediocre rich and upper middle class kids.
The SATs captures those smart and brilliant kids from less than ideal circumstances who will thrive in a challenging school environment.
Of course, most of the DCUM posters were emphatically against my posts.
I am happy to see the schools are starting to swing back towards the center, and away from fads that are not based on facts.
"...There are hundreds of less-advantaged applicants with scores in the 1,400 range who should be submitting scores to identify themselves to admissions, but do not under test-optional policies.” Some of these applicants were rejected because the admissions office could not be confident about their academic qualifications. The students would have probably been accepted had they submitted their test scores, Lee Coffin, Dartmouth’s dean of admissions, told me...."
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:19
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
If you can't even handle that little test, you are not a material for selective schools. Common Sense.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:16
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment
There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.
Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.
The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.
disagree. I think the SAT allows schools to find the kid who is 250 over their high school's average, even if it's far under Dartmouth's average. So the 1400.
That's a good thing. Bring them in.
The bad thing is the kid at Scarsdale High (or private equivalent) who somehow has a 4.0 because of grade inflation, published research (cause they paid for it), tennis player, and impressive internship (at Aunt's job). And because of TO, doesn't have to let their 1300 hold them back.
Completely agree.
yep, like MCPS, Fairfax and the worst offender: DCPS (JR with their 4.8s and yet can't crack 1400 on the SAT--my kid has so many white, upper middle class friends like this at JR)
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:15
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
I applaud Dartmouth…but once again they still leave the admissions process opaque.
Why not just tell folks that anyone with a score of X and above on average does well at Dartmouth, so if you score X or above you have cleared our SAT threshold and we no longer care about your absolute score.
Also, this article kind of argues for the SAT hardship index that was attempted several years back. It essentially took your raw score and multiplied it by a factor to account for underperforming school.
That idea was quickly abandoned, but this article basically says Dartmouth is creating their own hardship index. Hence, why a 1400 if your school average is 1100 is better than a 1500 if your school average is 1450.
Why not just tell folks that anyone with a score of X and above on average does well at Dartmouth, so if you score X or above you have cleared our SAT threshold and we no longer care about your absolute score.
Also, this article kind of argues for the SAT hardship index that was attempted several years back. It essentially took your raw score and multiplied it by a factor to account for underperforming school.
That idea was quickly abandoned, but this article basically says Dartmouth is creating their own hardship index. Hence, why a 1400 if your school average is 1100 is better than a 1500 if your school average is 1450.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:14
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment
There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.
Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.
The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.
disagree. I think the SAT allows schools to find the kid who is 250 over their high school's average, even if it's far under Dartmouth's average. So the 1400.
That's a good thing. Bring them in.
The bad thing is the kid at Scarsdale High (or private equivalent) who somehow has a 4.0 because of grade inflation, published research (cause they paid for it), tennis player, and impressive internship (at Aunt's job). And because of TO, doesn't have to let their 1300 hold them back.
What is Scarsdale High? Like a W school?
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:10
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment
There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.
Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.
The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.
disagree. I think the SAT allows schools to find the kid who is 250 over their high school's average, even if it's far under Dartmouth's average. So the 1400.
That's a good thing. Bring them in.
The bad thing is the kid at Scarsdale High (or private equivalent) who somehow has a 4.0 because of grade inflation, published research (cause they paid for it), tennis player, and impressive internship (at Aunt's job). And because of TO, doesn't have to let their 1300 hold them back.
Completely agree.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:10
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
1400 can happen. They would usually have somehing extoaordianay that everyone would ageee. Something like winning math Olympiad, national hackers competition, along those lines. I agree that they are qualified.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:08
Subject: Re:Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
It’s interesting to learn that AOs have access to test score after the applications process. I was not aware of that. The article points out the underprivileged kids who might have been helped with a solid even if not stellar SAT score. I wonder though, if after three years, the college also found that it admitted a less qualified student body overall. We will never know this of course.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:06
Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good. There may not be much difference between at 1500 and a 1600, but a 1200 does speak to the ability of a kid with a great GPA to succeed in a competitive college environment
There is no reason a college environment should be competitive.
Did you read the article? It's saying the opposite. Dartmouth wants to find people with SAT scores below 1400, and they were frustrated that their target audience wasn't taking the SAT.
The 1500 parents still don't get it and never will. The point isn't to find the highest test scorers and admit them all on a sliding scale. The test is another data point to show whether or not students can be successful. Frankly, a kid with a strong GPA at a decent school and a 1300 SAT will do just fine at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth wants to find them. This will really blow all your 1500+ parents' minds. My kid's highest SAT was a 1360, and he got into Georgetown--this was class of 2022. He's a sophomore. Doing very well. These schools don't want to reinstate test scores to find more high scores. They want a diverse class of students who will do well. Not a class of grinders. You all are celebrating way too soon. This doesn't make it any easier for your above average 1500+ kid to get into Dartmouth.
disagree. I think the SAT allows schools to find the kid who is 250 over their high school's average, even if it's far under Dartmouth's average. So the 1400.
That's a good thing. Bring them in.
The bad thing is the kid at Scarsdale High (or private equivalent) who somehow has a 4.0 because of grade inflation, published research (cause they paid for it), tennis player, and impressive internship (at Aunt's job). And because of TO, doesn't have to let their 1300 hold them back.
Anonymous
02/05/2024 08:06
Subject: Re:Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Great! I hope they heavily consider them this year too!
They prob will