Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 18:57     Subject: Re:New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.


Is this true?! How???? Why????

And I’m Indian American (born in the US) and think thus is fu*ked up; if this is purposeful and intentional, then clearly colleges want to push out middle-class Americans?
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 18:28     Subject: Re:New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Nobody seems to have mentioned financial aid as the real reason here. An upper middle class kid from India might be able to afford 20k. That means free tuition at most privates. You get nothing in the UK, and have to pay overseas tuition there. The US is way cheaper.

Most selective schools, while need aware for admissions, meet internationals’ full need if admitted. In other words, middle class internationals get free tuition, and donut hole American families pay full freight.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 18:13     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why you all are complaining. There are 890,000 international students in American colleges (5.6%) and they contributed $40 billion to the economy. The US has a population of 332 million.

Other countries take a far higher proportion of international students. To give perspective, there are 710,000 international students in Australia, a country of 27 million people. There are 807,000 in Canada, a country of 38 million. There are 608,000 in the UK, which has a popular of 68 million.

China and India account for 560,000 of the international students in the US. It is true that many international students try to use this as a de facto back door method of immigration. However, if a student is bright enough that a US company is willing to sponsor their work visa then it’s a likely win for the US.


Except there are well over 1,000,000 internationals studying in the US. Your data and premise are false.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 18:03     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:Another interesting stat from those links is that early 1/6 of the Amherst applicant pool was either “another gender” or “gender ID not reported”. Wellesley doesn’t seem to have reported this figure.
Wellesley only accepts women. If you don't identify yourself as a woman, you won't be accepted. (By "woman" they mean someone who consistently lives and identifies as a woman.)
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 17:39     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Op, thank you for every mention of The Common Data Set.
Too few people utilize it for college research.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 16:51     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
I know a foreign student who will be exempted from his country’s required military service if he gets into a top US university. Strange incentive there.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 16:46     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:Amherst is one of the few need-blind schools for international applicants. It makes sense that such a high proportion of their overall pool is international. I doubt you'd find many schools that have a similarly high percent.



Guessing Grinnell too but haven’t checked stats yet.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 16:27     Subject: Re:New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Why us t the number of Chinese students a national security concern?

https://foreigndesknews.com/asia/look-the-other-way-increase-in-chinese-international-students-raises-national-security-concerns-experts-say/
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 15:42     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?


SNOBBERY


Meaning what?


meaning that upper classes and strivers abroad see american universities as prestigious even when they have perfectly respectable and in some cases superior schools at home. similar to american parents here, who are obsessing about elite colleges, they want to join the emerging global "elite". but since they are not in the US, their standards are a bit more lax so even (in the eyes of american parents) less prestigious US schools are perceived as superior to their own schools.

there was actually never less reason to go to school in the US because knowledge has become much more accessible. faculty abroad is much more knowledgeable, publishes in top journals etc, than in the years past. but, paradoxically, students are now flocking to the US to study. some parents are selling their own homes for tuition at "podunk u".

i know this because i am an immigrant. the number of people asking me to advise their teens on how to go to school in the US has skyrocketed. my kids also know some kids from my home country - these are young kids and tween who know nothing about the world yet they already know that "they want to go to harvard". i personally know several such kids.


Funny anecdote: DC and I attended a virtual Bennington tour that had an open chat page. Nearly everyone on the call was from Europe or Asia, and it was a normal EST time of day. This may not be indicative of the usual, however, because they all wanted to be writers....

Thanks, Donna Tartt and Tik Tok.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 14:23     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?


SNOBBERY


Meaning what?


meaning that upper classes and strivers abroad see american universities as prestigious even when they have perfectly respectable and in some cases superior schools at home. similar to american parents here, who are obsessing about elite colleges, they want to join the emerging global "elite". but since they are not in the US, their standards are a bit more lax so even (in the eyes of american parents) less prestigious US schools are perceived as superior to their own schools.

there was actually never less reason to go to school in the US because knowledge has become much more accessible. faculty abroad is much more knowledgeable, publishes in top journals etc, than in the years past. but, paradoxically, students are now flocking to the US to study. some parents are selling their own homes for tuition at "podunk u".

i know this because i am an immigrant. the number of people asking me to advise their teens on how to go to school in the US has skyrocketed. my kids also know some kids from my home country - these are young kids and tween who know nothing about the world yet they already know that "they want to go to harvard". i personally know several such kids.


I completely agree with your take. I know a few international students who are desperate to attend US colleges. Reddit is filled with students from Europe, Africa, Asia who want to get out and come here. It’s a little disturbing, it’s hard not to feel bad for families who think it’s some utopia and will put them on a magical path.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 14:15     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Another interesting stat from those links is that early 1/6 of the Amherst applicant pool was either “another gender” or “gender ID not reported”. Wellesley doesn’t seem to have reported this figure.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 13:57     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?


SNOBBERY


Meaning what?


meaning that upper classes and strivers abroad see american universities as prestigious even when they have perfectly respectable and in some cases superior schools at home. similar to american parents here, who are obsessing about elite colleges, they want to join the emerging global "elite". but since they are not in the US, their standards are a bit more lax so even (in the eyes of american parents) less prestigious US schools are perceived as superior to their own schools.

there was actually never less reason to go to school in the US because knowledge has become much more accessible. faculty abroad is much more knowledgeable, publishes in top journals etc, than in the years past. but, paradoxically, students are now flocking to the US to study. some parents are selling their own homes for tuition at "podunk u".

i know this because i am an immigrant. the number of people asking me to advise their teens on how to go to school in the US has skyrocketed. my kids also know some kids from my home country - these are young kids and tween who know nothing about the world yet they already know that "they want to go to harvard". i personally know several such kids.

DP. How many of them want to come because they're interested in emigrating?


i think most of them want to emigrate, but not necessarily to the US, though that would be fine, too. some of them think it will give them the edge at home - and it might. primarily, they want to joint the global elite, wherever they might end up. and us schools, and especially, recognized major college brands, are seen as a ticket to that.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 13:51     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?


SNOBBERY


Meaning what?


meaning that upper classes and strivers abroad see american universities as prestigious even when they have perfectly respectable and in some cases superior schools at home. similar to american parents here, who are obsessing about elite colleges, they want to join the emerging global "elite". but since they are not in the US, their standards are a bit more lax so even (in the eyes of american parents) less prestigious US schools are perceived as superior to their own schools.

there was actually never less reason to go to school in the US because knowledge has become much more accessible. faculty abroad is much more knowledgeable, publishes in top journals etc, than in the years past. but, paradoxically, students are now flocking to the US to study. some parents are selling their own homes for tuition at "podunk u".

i know this because i am an immigrant. the number of people asking me to advise their teens on how to go to school in the US has skyrocketed. my kids also know some kids from my home country - these are young kids and tween who know nothing about the world yet they already know that "they want to go to harvard". i personally know several such kids.

DP. How many of them want to come because they're interested in emigrating?
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 13:45     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why you all are complaining. There are 890,000 international students in American colleges (5.6%) and they contributed $40 billion to the economy. The US has a population of 332 million.

Other countries take a far higher proportion of international students. To give perspective, there are 710,000 international students in Australia, a country of 27 million people. There are 807,000 in Canada, a country of 38 million. There are 608,000 in the UK, which has a popular of 68 million.

China and India account for 560,000 of the international students in the US. It is true that many international students try to use this as a de facto back door method of immigration. However, if a student is bright enough that a US company is willing to sponsor their work visa then it’s a likely win for the US.


Thank you for being the voice of reason. Some folks on these boards are terrified that their kid's precious college spots are being taken by "foreigners".
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2024 13:43     Subject: New common data set now includes breakdown of acceptance rates for international and out of state students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?


SNOBBERY


Meaning what?


meaning that upper classes and strivers abroad see american universities as prestigious even when they have perfectly respectable and in some cases superior schools at home. similar to american parents here, who are obsessing about elite colleges, they want to join the emerging global "elite". but since they are not in the US, their standards are a bit more lax so even (in the eyes of american parents) less prestigious US schools are perceived as superior to their own schools.

there was actually never less reason to go to school in the US because knowledge has become much more accessible. faculty abroad is much more knowledgeable, publishes in top journals etc, than in the years past. but, paradoxically, students are now flocking to the US to study. some parents are selling their own homes for tuition at "podunk u".

i know this because i am an immigrant. the number of people asking me to advise their teens on how to go to school in the US has skyrocketed. my kids also know some kids from my home country - these are young kids and tween who know nothing about the world yet they already know that "they want to go to harvard". i personally know several such kids.