No one gets into Lehigh without significant demonstrated interest. It’s almost a joke.

Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

What if the school doesn't care about Demonstrated Interest? And do you honestly think a kid that's already applied for 10+ schools and gotten into several (but may not have visited all of them) suddenly didn't write a good essay for this particular school?

BTW, the bolded part of your sentence is EXACTLY what Yield Protection is!

tswc wrote:Over the years, I've seen students admitted to MIT but waitlisted at Georgia Tech, or admitted to Yale but not Duke, for the same intended major. I wonder, what kinds of colleges tend to yield protect? With ED and ED2, I feel UChicago is a prime example.

On the other hand, I feel the top 5 (HYPSM) seem to grab the best applicants and do not care much about yield protect.

There will be a rush of DCUMers coming on to say that certain schools don't YP. I'm talking about Virginia Tech here.

Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

The issue with yield management isn't that colleges don't need to do it - obviously they do. The issue is the uncertainty in predicting that a high stats applicant will be admitted somewhere else they'd more likely attend. Uncertainty increased significantly under test optional policies.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is very big on yield protection. That's why they are so pro legacy admissions. They want students that really want to be there and be part of the community. They want students that "get" Notre Dame.

No, it's the opposite.
ND has has very high yield naturally, so it doesn't need yield protection.

I know for a fact that very high stats applicants are rejected from ND for either TO or lower stats kids with strong essays and ECs that demonstrate a good fit. Lots of high stats students going for ivies apply to ND as a backup. The goal is to weed these out. Also I am sure they choose Catholic of over non-Catholic, all things equal. That's a form of yield protection.

ok, "better applicants"

Perhaps on paper, but not necessarily in the classrooms, dorms, clubs, athletic events etc. Additionally, all schools need to balance students across majors. So many kids are applying for engineering or computer science - of course they're going to get wait listed or rejected. There just aren't enough seats in those departments to meet the current demand. Major is just as important as stats, but people don't want to acknowledge that so they cry yield protection or discrimination when their kid isn't admitted.

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is very big on yield protection. That's why they are so pro legacy admissions. They want students that really want to be there and be part of the community. They want students that "get" Notre Dame.

No, it's the opposite.
ND has has very high yield naturally, so it doesn't need yield protection.

Notre Dame is very big on yield protection. That's why they are so pro legacy admissions. They want students that really want to be there and be part of the community. They want students that "get" Notre Dame.

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Anonymous wrote:The only schools that "yield protect" are those that rejected your kid.

Yes. Yield protection is pure cope. “They rejected Timmy but ackshually it’s because he was too good for that school.”

I said above I thought mine might have been yield protected, but I certainly don't think she was "too good" for the school. I think there was a calculation by the college that suggested she might get into other colleges that she would choose ahead of them. They W/L her after showing a lot of interest. They were right. She got into several Ivies/T10, and I don’t think she would have chosen them back.

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Anonymous wrote:

tswc wrote:Over the years, I've seen students admitted to MIT but waitlisted at Georgia Tech, or admitted to Yale but not Duke, for the same intended major. I wonder, what kinds of colleges tend to yield protect? With ED and ED2, I feel UChicago is a prime example.

On the other hand, I feel the top 5 (HYPSM) seem to grab the best applicants and do not care much about yield protect.

Harvard got sued and lost for discriminating and not admitting the best applicants.

No, “best applicants “ was not a part of the holding.

ok, "better applicants"

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Anonymous wrote:The only schools that "yield protect" are those that rejected your kid.

+1

Seriously Middlebury? They accept 70% of their class ED, obviously getting in RD is going to be tough. And MIT, but not Georgia Tech doesn’t make sense as a yield protection either. I’m sure Georgia Tech has a <10% acceptance rate OOS for CS/Engineering majors.

+1 these are people who take rankings too literally and seriously.

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tswc wrote:Over the years, I've seen students admitted to MIT but waitlisted at Georgia Tech, or admitted to Yale but not Duke, for the same intended major. I wonder, what kinds of colleges tend to yield protect? With ED and ED2, I feel UChicago is a prime example.

On the other hand, I feel the top 5 (HYPSM) seem to grab the best applicants and do not care much about yield protect.

Harvard got sued and lost for discriminating and not admitting the best applicants.

No, “best applicants “ was not a part of the holding.

Anonymous wrote:Well: Case had a moment with my kid of, “hey waitlister! You know, IF we admit you, we’ll give you a sh*tton of merit aid! Whaddaya think about THAT?”

Along with weekly checkins to stay on the list: had to check off one of (a) Case is my first choice! I will TOTALLY accept an offer! (b) I’m still, uh, deciding (c) F*ck off. Took kid a few weeks to go from (b) to (c), and checking that last box was a pleasure.

This is not yield protection. They offered admission and aid - reasonable of them and a good deal for you. That you had a f*ck off attitude about it reflects very poorly on you and your kid.

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tswc wrote:Over the years, I've seen students admitted to MIT but waitlisted at Georgia Tech, or admitted to Yale but not Duke, for the same intended major. I wonder, what kinds of colleges tend to yield protect? With ED and ED2, I feel UChicago is a prime example.

On the other hand, I feel the top 5 (HYPSM) seem to grab the best applicants and do not care much about yield protect.

Georgia Tech might be yield protecting here, but it’s unclear as it’s a difficult school to be admitted to and it’s reasonable someone gets into MIT but not Georgia Tech. Duke absolutely does not yield protect, both Yale and Duke have a 5% acceptance rate so it would be quite common for someone to get into Yale but not Duke, and vice versa. The only schools that are really confirmed to yield protect are UChicago, UPenn, WashU, Tufts, Tulane, BU, Northeastern, and some others.

Those schools get ton of super high stat kids(maybe just a little exception for Tulane).
They have luxury to select the best fit students who are really excited to go there (i.e. ED which is the ultimate demonstration of interest)
Other elite schools like Harvard, MIT, Yale all do the same thing. They don't always select the highest qualified students whatever that means.