The number one killer car for teens is a Honda Cvic. But is considered sensible by the urban crowd. Why??

Anonymous wrote:Why are people trying so hard on DCUM to convince others that Jeeps are a safer/better choice?

People even try to argue they are reliable. I've owned two over the past 20 years. They are fine, and fun. But people are delusional if they actually believe Jeeps are either safer or more reliable than the average car/SUV. They are nice to own, I enjoyed mine - but don't try to convince yourself they are the safer choice for your teenager or college student.

I think it’s just a predictable reaction to the “OMG Jeeps are deathtraps! The only people who ever survive riding in a Jeep are the one who broke down! But they all break down! So everyone survives? No they still died because the Jeep flipped over on top of them while it was parked!” crowd that seems so common here.

Face, there seem to be a LOT of people on this forum who dislike Jeeps- passionately. I don’t understand it. But it’s real.

I think it’s due to them being deeply unhappy with themselves and being angry and triggered at the sight of someone driving something that makes them happy.

But it’s real. Definitely.

Got to love all the drunken hate from the " Coexist crowd"!!!!

Anonymous wrote:Wow! As a Western Loudoun county resident for 25 years. I really wonder if anyone commenting lives outside the beltway. SUVs and pick up trucks are always safer than a car in most deer and regular accidents. I actually witnessed a Prius hit a deer on Rt 9. The deer was launched by the wedged shaped car about 20 feet in the air. Then it landed in a Nissan windshield. Killing both Hispanics in the car. If you hit a deer with a SUV or truck you have less of a chance of it going airborne into another vehicle. Simple physics.

What the hell is going on with these creepy racists all all over DCUM?

Well, my front-loader crashes deer like nothing, literally mists them if I drive it fast enough.

Why are people trying so hard on DCUM to convince others that Jeeps are a safer/better choice?

People even try to argue they are reliable. I've owned two over the past 20 years. They are fine, and fun. But people are delusional if they actually believe Jeeps are either safer or more reliable than the average car/SUV. They are nice to own, I enjoyed mine - but don't try to convince yourself they are the safer choice for your teenager or college student.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she not know how to scan for deer while driving?

You must live in Arlington!

I e lived in Arlignton for 25 years and have only once seen a Buck besides Billy.

I find it extremely hard to believe that you live in Arlington and don’t see deer at least weekly, if not daily. Are you a shut-in? Confined to your home? Serving a house arrest sentence since the late 90’s? How do you NOT see deer all the time? We’re overrun with them.

Anonymous wrote:Jeeps aren't the most stable but I'll take them in a crash over most cars - they are built on a very solid frame. Someone rearended us on the highway - their car was totaled. Our Jeep was fine except for small scratch on tow hook. Just don't drive them like a sports car. And they are awesome in snow, rough terrain, high water

Same experience pretty much.

Got rear ended at maybe 10 mph by a X5 BMW and my trailer hitch ball went through his front bumper and broke his radiator and transmission cooler and air conditioner coil, the radiator fans and also ruined the bumper itself and his headlights and fog lights. When we “separated” the vehicles from being stuck together by the hitch, I pulled forward to get unstuck, and the entire front grill and bumper and headlights all got pulled off the car. The whole front of the car was removed. Probably totaled the car.

Our Jeep had a scuff on the trailer hitch ball. We feel a hard jolt/thump, and that was about it. A little stiff the next couple days but then fine afterwards.

High speed rear end crashes are much more uncommon than low speed ones. You’re more likely to get rear ended at lower speeds. And in that case, I’d prefer to be a vehicle that won’t sustain huge amounts of damage to its crumple zones and potentially be totaled, from range sustained “protecting” me in a low speed crash that isn’t going to hurt me much anyway. Losing a vehicle that’s totaled hurts, too. I’d rather have a stiff neck and a sore back that will be fine in a few days than have to buy a new vehicle that I’ll be paying on for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another thought on higher vehicles being safer for kids. . My daughter hit an eight point buck at 50 mph this weekend. As I drove it into the body shop yesterday for an estimate. A Toyota Camery had a much worse outcome. A deer went through the windshield. Inside is a bio hazzard. Is saving a few gallons of gas worth having a deer go through your kids windshield??

OP what do you do for work?

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What do you do for work?

Anonymous wrote:Maybe if your daughter had a car that handled better, she wouldn't have hit the buck?

Tell me you don’t know how to drive without telling me you don’t know how to drive

Anonymous wrote:So weird. You don't know how fast the Camry was going. You don't know what hit the Camry. Maybe it was a 12-point buck. Just be glad you're daughter is ok. And the Camry isn't the even best choice on fuel economy.

You think there’s an appreciable difference in body size for an 8 point versus a 12 point buck deer?

SMH….I don’t even know where to start with you

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Anonymous wrote:Does she not know how to scan for deer while driving?

You must live in Arlington!

I e lived in Arlignton for 25 years and have only once seen a Buck besides Billy.

When I lived in Arlington, I had one run directly across the GW Parkway in front of my Jeep. They are not easy to see in the trees -- particularly at night. There's no reason to be a jerk (more directed upstring at whoever posted about not knowing to scan for deer).

Maybe ten years ago I was driving on 66, near Falls Church in the evening (around 730pm...was heading to a friend's house for dinner after her young kid went to bed). A huge deer was in the median area where the Metro train tracks are located, jumped over the security fence into the fast lane of 66 West without warning. The car in front of me slammed on the brakes, hit the deer. The deer skidded across two lanes of traffic, got up, ran off into the wooded area next to the highway.

Craziest sh#t I've ever seen. That deer must have leaped 7 feet in the air to get over that fence. I'm still freaked out whenever I drive next to the Metro tracks on 66.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another thought on higher vehicles being safer for kids. . My daughter hit a eight point buck at 50 mph this weekend. As I drove it into the body shop yesterday for a estimate. A Toyota Camery had a much worse outcome. A deer went through the windshield. Inside is a bio hazzard. Is saving a few gallons of gas worth having a deer go through your kids windshield??

If the buck your daughter hit was mid-leap the same thing would have happened to her. Stop being smug about a car wreck you know nothing about. And watch out for actual children, which is the danger inherent in higher vehicles.

Odd take . The same person wrote both estimates. We had a nice conversation about cars vs suvs and trucks with deer hits. I guess you know more than body shops in Loudoun.

Nothing you said even responds to my "take." A buck can easily go through the windshield of a Wrangler if it is off the ground at the moment of impact. That's not odd, it's physics. But since you can easily be buttered up by a guy writing an estimate into writing a self-congratulatory post about how safe Wranglers are for inexperienced drivers I'm not sure that it makes sense to expect you to understand basic concepts.

Has to be farther off the ground. If you want to talk physics: (i) wrangler is taller and with a higher COG than a sedan or sports car, so deer has to be higher to get its COG to the point where it is thrown over the vehicle into the windshield; (ii) the front of a wrangler has the same basic shape as a wall, sedans and sports cars are more in the nature of a wedge.

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Anonymous wrote:You are lucky that her silly Wrangler did not flip or something, that car is not that stable.

Far more likely to be injured from handling (highway exits, quick avoidance turns, etc) than from a deer. The wrangler loses the handling contest against pretty much ever car.

The very last vehicle I’d allow my kids to drive is a wrangler. And I drove one for 10 years. I’m convinced it caused my hearing loss.

I've driven them for over 25 years. Never once have I had a case where I needed to win a handling contest or where I've come close to tipping on-road (off road I've taken it pretty close to the breakover angle). My daughter drives one too. If you teach your kid how the vehicle handles, it is as safe (if not more so) than most cars on the road.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she not know how to scan for deer while driving?

You must live in Arlington!

I e lived in Arlignton for 25 years and have only once seen a Buck besides Billy.

When I lived in Arlington, I had one run directly across the GW Parkway in front of my Jeep. They are not easy to see in the trees -- particularly at night. There's no reason to be a jerk (more directed upstring at whoever posted about not knowing to scan for deer).