Anonymous wrote:Well, “elective” is also a fraught term

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Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.

In which states can a woman not end a pregnancy to save her life?
And, it is important to note that many pregnancies are considered at risk.
Ending a pregnancy when there are challenges should not be the first course of action, especially if the mother does not want it.

In which states can a women carry a pregnancy and make decisions about her care with her doctor, not involving lawyers and legislators and courts and vigilantes, etc. Carry your pregnancies in those states ladies if you can. Look to receive modern medical care instead of some backwards, compromised care.

Which is exactly what this woman did.

She lived where she wanted. She was pregnant and wanted to be pregnant.

Yet it’s a problem how?

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Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.

In which states can a woman not end a pregnancy to save her life?
And, it is important to note that many pregnancies are considered at risk.
Ending a pregnancy when there are challenges should not be the first course of action, especially if the mother does not want it.

In which states can a women carry a pregnancy and make decisions about her care with her doctor, not involving lawyers and legislators and courts and vigilantes, etc. Carry your pregnancies in those states ladies if you can. Look to receive modern medical care instead of some backwards, compromised care.

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Anonymous wrote:I posit that a sound majority of women would never have an abortion. The rabid abortion advocates need to make it a “simple medical procedure” to downplay the fact that it is an affirmative choice to take action to end the life of the being in one’s womb. Abortions are not equivalent to getting stitches.

Of course most women have never had an abortion and no woman wants to have an abortion. A significant minority (25 percent) had and will have for their own private reasons that are none of your or anyone's business. Look around because you know and likely depend on many women in your life and community that have had an abortion. They would never discuss it with you nor should they.

I look around and see all the alive people who were not aborted, men and women, who have a right to live their lives. No one has a right to take their lives.

You are the one who has no right to impose your judgements on women making decisions about their own bodies. Judge away but you will rightly be ignored. This is not your business. Find something better to so with your time and energy.

The woman we are discussing had a right to be pregnant and choose to stay pregnant and choose the life of her baby. You don’t like her choice, and that’s not okay. Why is the only reproductive choice you support is the right of woman to have an abortion?

The state of Texas didn’t force this woman to become morbidly obese. Texas (and all states) has a program in place to provide all women and their unborn babies free healthcare insurance. Texas would have paid for her medical care for her pregnancy, her medical care for her medical conditions, and her life saving medications. For some unknown and unexplained reason she did not participate in that free program that could have possible prevented her and her baby’s untimely death. The state of Texas had help for her and her baby.

She chose to work while seriously ill and forgo taking necessary medication while seriously ill. The state of Texas would have paid for her to have her medication. Texas didn’t fail her, she chose to try to pay for expensive medication out of pocket and couldn’t afford to pay. She chose to continue her pregnancy, a wanted, named, and loved baby. She told her mother she wanted to save the life of her baby above her own.

Maybe if she had been in the same circumstances in a different state with modern medical standards, she would still be alive today. We can never know but she should have had the best medical advice available. Not advice constrained by lawyers and courts and vigilantes.

How many babies have you birthed? It is a long, difficult, dangerous process. You seem cluless about preganancy and birth.

Anonymous wrote:You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

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Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.

In which states can a woman not end a pregnancy to save her life?
And, it is important to note that many pregnancies are considered at risk.
Ending a pregnancy when there are challenges should not be the first course of action, especially if the mother does not want it.

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Anonymous wrote:I posit that a sound majority of women would never have an abortion. The rabid abortion advocates need to make it a “simple medical procedure” to downplay the fact that it is an affirmative choice to take action to end the life of the being in one’s womb. Abortions are not equivalent to getting stitches.

Of course most women have never had an abortion and no woman wants to have an abortion. A significant minority (25 percent) had and will have for their own private reasons that are none of your or anyone's business. Look around because you know and likely depend on many women in your life and community that have had an abortion. They would never discuss it with you nor should they.

I look around and see all the alive people who were not aborted, men and women, who have a right to live their lives. No one has a right to take their lives.

You are the one who has no right to impose your judgements on women making decisions about their own bodies. Judge away but you will rightly be ignored. This is not your business. Find something better to so with your time and energy.

The woman we are discussing had a right to be pregnant and choose to stay pregnant and choose the life of her baby. You don’t like her choice, and that’s not okay. Why is the only reproductive choice you support is the right of woman to have an abortion?

The state of Texas didn’t force this woman to become morbidly obese. Texas (and all states) has a program in place to provide all women and their unborn babies free healthcare insurance. Texas would have paid for her medical care for her pregnancy, her medical care for her medical conditions, and her life saving medications. For some unknown and unexplained reason she did not participate in that free program that could have possible prevented her and her baby’s untimely death. The state of Texas had help for her and her baby.

She chose to work while seriously ill and forgo taking necessary medication while seriously ill. The state of Texas would have paid for her to have her medication. Texas didn’t fail her, she chose to try to pay for expensive medication out of pocket and couldn’t afford to pay. She chose to continue her pregnancy, a wanted, named, and loved baby. She told her mother she wanted to save the life of her baby above her own.

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Anonymous wrote:You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

I think you know what pp was referring to.
Elective abortions... the ones that end a healthy life growing inside a mother.

The problem is that you are attempting to parse words and make the term mean what YOU want it to mean

This is the problem with all debates on this topic. Non-medical professionals inserting themselves into complicated medical situations.

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Anonymous wrote:I posit that a sound majority of women would never have an abortion. The rabid abortion advocates need to make it a “simple medical procedure” to downplay the fact that it is an affirmative choice to take action to end the life of the being in one’s womb. Abortions are not equivalent to getting stitches.

Of course most women have never had an abortion and no woman wants to have an abortion. A significant minority (25 percent) had and will have for their own private reasons that are none of your or anyone's business. Look around because you know and likely depend on many women in your life and community that have had an abortion. They would never discuss it with you nor should they.

I look around and see all the alive people who were not aborted, men and women, who have a right to live their lives. No one has a right to take their lives.

You are the one who has no right to impose your judgements on women making decisions about their own bodies. Judge away but you will rightly be ignored. This is not your business. Find something better to so with your time and energy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.

In which states can a woman not end a pregnancy to save her life?
And, it is important to note that many pregnancies are considered at risk.
Ending a pregnancy when there are challenges should not be the first course of action, especially if the mother does not want it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.

In which states can a woman not end a pregnancy to save her life?
And, it is important to note that many pregnancies are considered at risk.
Ending a pregnancy when there are challenges should not be the first course of action, especially if the mother does not want it.

Anonymous wrote:Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.

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Anonymous wrote:You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

I think you know what pp was referring to.
Elective abortions... the ones that end a healthy life growing inside a mother.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

When a woman terminates her pregnancy, it’s an abortion. When a woman has a miscarriage, she does not choose to terminate her pregnancy.

A D&C procedure may be done for different reasons, including to look for the cause of a problem, such as abnormal uterine bleeding; for treatment of a miscarriage or postpregnancy bleeding; or for first trimester abortion (pregnancy termination).

A D and C is not always done to end the life of an unborn baby.