Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 14:23     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:My parents were flying the same day this happened. They are both old, and mom is quite frail, but they insist on sitting in the exit row. I doubt they could manage the exit row duties and I worry they'd block the way.

They sit there because my dad is 6'3" and regular airplane seats are tiny. The airlines are complicit in exit row misuse, with the tiny seats and allowing you to buy exit row seating for an upgrade fee.


Do they currently sit in exit rows? On my last overseas flight, last week, two people were removed from the exit row - one for not speaking English, and one for being to old to assist others. I have also seen people moved because they would not stow their carryon above, when sitting in an eixt row. More airlines are requiring baseline abilities, because the exit row is no joke. You sign up for the exit row, you sign up for being responsible for your fellow passengers. Your parents do not seem very bright.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 14:22     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
I think so, but I happened to live in Hoboken when that plane landed in the Hudson, and I was just on a plane with a medical emergency (they said is there a doctor on board mid flight) and before landing they came on the announcement and said an ambulance is meeting us at the gate - everyone stay seated while the person with the medical emergency gets off first. And I seriously in my head thought, I wonder if everyone will stay seated - but literally every person on the flight stayed seated and silent while the person with the issue got off.

So now I have more faith!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 14:20     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Nope. Americans are too selfish to follow directions and move in an orderly manner. They're also too out of shape.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 14:18     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.

I disagree. I’ll tell you the best way. I went to school in Boston and DH is biglaw.


For equity reasons, we must all exit at the same time.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 14:17     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.


We just watched the movie the other night so the incident in Japan did feel similar to me. But, Miracle on the Hudson was in 2009. American Society has continued a steep downhill slide since then, which it I think OP's point.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 14:07     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s shocking to think that Americans would block the aisle in an evacuation to get their luggage from overhead, yet that is what they would do. Conversely other Americans are not confident or active enough to just push past. So we would have Doug from Omaha holding up the evacuation in the aisle because he MUST bring his bag, while everyone behind him just stands there looking dumb and not taking action.

I’m the FA from above. It’s not just Americans, Canadians are almost worse! Especially on Canadian-bound US-departing flights. It’s like they have something to prove. Certain Europeans tend to be pretty awful, too. Asian passengers are the most cooperative and well behaved pax.


Funny that Asians are great on planes but horrible tourists off the plane.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:55     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.

They didn’t have the option of taking their carry-ons out with them. Who knows what might have happened if they did.


They were told to leave them and they did. What is your problem?

What were they going to do, swim with them? These are two completely different scenarios and you know it.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:52     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.

I’m the flight attendant PP and it’s not often we see people that large. They typically require seatbelt extensions, which some bring but many have to ask for, and we do check for them. It’s very infrequent that I encounter a pax like this. Maybe 50 times last year out of tens of thousands of passengers, if not more.

The bigger problem in an evacuation are parents wit children, or parents (mom in one row with one kid(s), dad in another with other kid(s) who want to exit together. This is an issue in standard deplaning, too. They want to exit together and bog down the process waiting.


I would think single parent situations are worse. I’ve travelled with my kids as toddlers and been separated from one. It would be a nightmare in an emergency like this recent crash.

You’d think, but a mom with all her kids with her goes into protective mode and does what needs to be done. The issue arises when mom wants to make sure her other chicks get off the plane, too, but she can’t get to them.


That’s the exact nightmare scenario I’m talking about. I’m with the 1yo and my 3yo is several rows away.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:50     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:You know some people would be trying to livestream it too.


🤦‍♀️ Of course, almost forgot that!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:46     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
My parents were flying the same day this happened. They are both old, and mom is quite frail, but they insist on sitting in the exit row. I doubt they could manage the exit row duties and I worry they'd block the way.

They sit there because my dad is 6'3" and regular airplane seats are tiny. The airlines are complicit in exit row misuse, with the tiny seats and allowing you to buy exit row seating for an upgrade fee.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:45     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.

I disagree. I’ll tell you the best way. I went to school in Boston and DH is biglaw.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:41     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.

They didn’t have the option of taking their carry-ons out with them. Who knows what might have happened if they did.


They were told to leave them and they did. What is your problem?
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:38     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.

They didn’t have the option of taking their carry-ons out with them. Who knows what might have happened if they did.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:36     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2024 13:32     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
You know some people would be trying to livestream it too.