Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
They think they have high liturgy, the true faith, everybody else is wrong (the Ls anyway), etc. They adhere to the Apostle’s Creed (although it is unclear what they mean when they say “I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church). A couple of Lutheran friends told me St. Augustine was a Lutheran, even.
You do realize that the word “catholic” in this context means “universal,” right? Not the name of the religion/church.
Of course I know that’s the answer given. But what does universal mean? What does apostolic mean? What does one as it relates to unity mean? And how did Luther or King Henry VIII (if I’m not mistaken, Episcopalianism is the American offshoot of the Anglican church) come to those conclusions and why is their intepretation the right one? That’s what is unclear to me.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
Great example of why op should do their own research.
We got it. Move on.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
They think they have high liturgy, the true faith, everybody else is wrong (the Ls anyway), etc. They adhere to the Apostle’s Creed (although it is unclear what they mean when they say “I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church). A couple of Lutheran friends told me St. Augustine was a Lutheran, even.
You do realize that the word “catholic” in this context means “universal,” right? Not the name of the religion/church.
Of course I know that’s the answer given. But what does universal mean? What does apostolic mean? What does one as it relates to unity mean? And how did Luther or King Henry VIII (if I’m not mistaken, Episcopalianism is the American offshoot of the Anglican church) come to those conclusions and why is their intepretation the right one? That’s what is unclear to me.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
Great example of why op should do their own research.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
They think they have high liturgy, the true faith, everybody else is wrong (the Ls anyway), etc. They adhere to the Apostle’s Creed (although it is unclear what they mean when they say “I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church). A couple of Lutheran friends told me St. Augustine was a Lutheran, even.
You do realize that the word “catholic” in this context means “universal,” right? Not the name of the religion/church.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
They think they have high liturgy, the true faith, everybody else is wrong (the Ls anyway), etc. They adhere to the Apostle’s Creed (although it is unclear what they mean when they say “I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church). A couple of Lutheran friends told me St. Augustine was a Lutheran, even.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you want a dissertation or something? This is something for google, not for DCUM.
You can't even entertain a discussion?
The troll-ish posts about athiests get more favorable responses.
Op I've wondered this as well. I have no answers. Since dcum won't be helpful, I would recommend a library if you aren't finding answers online.
Anonymous wrote:Do you want a dissertation or something? This is something for google, not for DCUM.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you want a dissertation or something? This is something for google, not for DCUM.
Op here. Just a simple this is the difference. I’m formerly Catholic but I can’t wrap my head around what the actual difference is. As mentioned, for years I’ve tried to understand via Google and reading but I’m not fully seeing it before my eyes if that makes sense.
Sort of how Pentecostal believes you are able to speak in tongues and must if you have been filled with the Holy Spiritvs. Charismatics who feel you can be filled with the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues.
Is there anyone familiar with two or one that could just phrase it better for me?
Is there a simple way to think of these denominational differences?
OP, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Most Pentecostals do believe in speaking in tongues, yes, but that is not THE defining feature of Pentecostalism, it is not what separates Pentecostals from other denominations.
This. OP is basically asking for stereotypes
I can say "Catholics are the ones with a Pope" but that doesn't provide any helpful information about the historical, religious, or cultural experience of being Catholic.
In addition, most Protestant denominations have multiple internal divisions, eg there are two flavors of Presbyterian and they believe different things.
OP, your question does have Google-able answers but you'll have to read multiple sources or at least multiple Wikipedia articles. We can't give you a mnemonic.
op wants a research assistant for free, and wants hours of research typed here and it’s impossible.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
They think they have high liturgy, the true faith, everybody else is wrong (the Ls anyway), etc. They adhere to the Apostle’s Creed (although it is unclear what they mean when they say “I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church). A couple of Lutheran friends told me St. Augustine was a Lutheran, even.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.
Neither Episcopalians nor Lutherans think they’re Catholic.
Anonymous wrote:The reformed of the Calvinist churches believe in TULIP: Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.
Presbyterians are Calvinists, and Baptists broke off from Calvinism but are not nearly as theologically preoccupied as the mainline churches so I don’t know they adhere to TULIP in a strict sense.
All of Protestantism is like that, start with Catholic theology and start taking away, interpreting differently, internally schisming ad infinitum. Episcopalians think they’re Catholics but have female priests and gay marriage. Lutherans think they’re Catholics but one of their their pope lives in Missouri and one of them lives in Wisconsin, and the third is also a lady priest.