Anonymous wrote:UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Northeastern, Vanderbilt, Tufts, Carnegie Mellon and Emory appear to be the most manipulative when it comes to admissions gamesmanship. Never underestimate how offering EDI and EDII really does depress acceptance rates. A good percentage of the freshman class is already selected by the time regular decision rolls around.

1)California Institute of Technology 4% REA
2)Harvard University 4% REA
3)Columbia University 4% ED
4)Massachusetts Institute of Technology 4% EA
5)Stanford University 4% EA
6)Brown University 5% ED
7)University of Chicago 5% EA, EDI, EDII
8)Yale University 5% REA
9)Dartmouth College 6% ED
10)Duke University 6% ED
11)Princeton University REA
12)Cornell University 7% ED
13)Johns Hopkins University 7% EDI, EDII
14)Northeastern University 7% EA, EDI, EDII
15)Northwestern University 7% ED
16)University of Pennsylvania 7% ED
17)Vanderbilt University 7% EDI, EDII
18)Rice University Houston, TX 9% ED
19)University of California, Los Angeles 9%
20)Tufts University 10% EDI, EDII
21)Carnegie Mellon University 11% EDI, EDII
22)Emory University 11% EDI, EDII

Anonymous wrote:UPenn and those schools used to have 70% acceptance rates. UPenn and ivies invented ED and all sorts of tactics aka voodoo magic

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Wrong. It is implicates both. The more slots that are filled ED (and especially EDI and EDII), the fewer slots available in RD. By definition fewer the applicants accepted, the fewer spots to be had.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Georgetown, which doesn't have ED or ED2 and is not test optional and is not on the common app, is not on this list.

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

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It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Anonymous wrote:In 1980 UCLA had an admission rate of 75%.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Georgetown, which doesn't have ED or ED2 and is not test optional and is not on the common app, is not on this list.

The question becomes, are schools more apt to continue down the road of ED1 and ED2, or the route that Georgetown takes? In a sense, Georgetown is able to stand out because it stands alone. But for every G'town, you have a Johns Hopkins, Chicago, NEU, Emory, etc. When we toured Emory, the admission's officer giving the presentation was really coy about its admission statistics for its Oxford campus. A lot of kids got rejected from Emory Atlanta but offered Oxford. That boosts Emory's selectivity rates. I really don't have a problem with a school that markets. My child received mailers from Chicago even though she did nothing to indicate that she was going to apply there. I don't think the mailers was some kind of con game.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Georgetown, which doesn't have ED or ED2 and is not test optional and is not on the common app, is not on this list.

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Anonymous wrote:You would think that the schools having ED1 and ED2 would discourage many RD applicants from applying.

But I looked it up. Every single one received more applications last year than the year before.

But isn’t basically every school getting more applications? More kids, more kids going to college, and more anxiety about low admissions rates all leads to a lot more applications.

The ED and EA stuff is genius for the schools thought — Pitt gets a ton of applications mainly because kids want to have one in the pocket before holidays. I think northeastern also benefits from this. It’s also crazy to me how all the college counselors suggest northeastern — it’s so rampant I’d suspect kickbacks except that I think it’s more just that 5 years ago it was a good safety/target but they’ve overhyped it so much that the admit rate is now really low.

It’s all just a crazy irrational market that is totally non transparent and filled with under informed consumers (through no fault of their own — it’s just impossible to really know what you’re buying). The med school match system might make more sense -/ I don’t know.

My kid got in ED to top choice but I am not looking forward to doing this insanity again in 3 years.

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Main reason for ED is yield not lowering acceptance rate.

If ED acceptance rate is high, it discourages applicants for RD, thus it negatively affect acceptance rate, too.

For whatever reason, even the schools offering double rounds of ED get more applications. Truly I don't understand why.

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

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Anonymous wrote:Most the top schools with ED (not EA) are filling approximately 50 percent their slots using ED since it’s binding (yield rate in the upper 90s…exception is financial reasons for not going). The remaining is filled via ED2 (if they offer) and RD. Less applications in ED vs RD with roughly the same number of spots to fill but ED has higher yield rate so RD even though more applicants will have more acceptances than ED bc of the lower yield rate.

I don't think people understand how impactful athletic recruits are at some of these schools. Sure, Princeton doesn't have a binding ED, but they have EA. There are approximately 1,000 athletes/students at Princeton spread across 38 varsity sports. There are approximately 5,600 undergrads, and about 1,350 freshmen enroll each year. So almost 20% of those slots are taken out of the general pool in any given year. There really are only 1,100 non-athletic spots open for admissions. Who knows how many are reserved for donors, URM's, etc. When you get into the granular level, now you see why even the perfect straight A, high SAT student has to apply to all the ivies, and the JHU's, G'town's, Emory, NEU's, Vandy's.