Anonymous
12/24/2023 13:21
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.
Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.
No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.
+1
Very hard to believe. There was something unusual as Bates needs all the highly qualified, full-pay students that it can get.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 13:14
Subject: Re:ED Bates Results?
Bates' location stinks. Most of the econ profs--including the dept. head--departed without much notice. Lots of racial issues. Crappy weather. Need aware admissions. Very small enrollment.
Positives are a decent liberal arts location & the kids are nice.
Positives are a decent liberal arts location & the kids are nice.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 10:55
Subject: ED Bates Results?
*A few places in rankings
Anonymous
12/24/2023 10:55
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.
Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.
No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.
Uncommon is a more accurate assessment, not ”no way.” Colleges repeat ad nauseum that they are assembling a class, and there are far more qualified applicants than there are spaces. So of course qualified applicants will get turned away, and sometimes admitted at higher ranked schools.
Some folks on this forum have bought into the rankings hook line and sinker. I guess if you derive meaning and value in your life through having your kid attend a marginally higher ranked school, that’s ok. But I feel for the kids whose parents are this insane over a spaces in college rankings. And fail to take into account who their child is and where they will thrive. The mental health toll of driving kids to excel and compete so their parents can flex . . . new hobbies for parents would be better
Anonymous
12/24/2023 09:45
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.
Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.
No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.
PP. Seemed weird to us, too. Got into other NESCACs RD, as well. No idea what they saw that Bates didn’t, or vice versa. College counselor thought Bates was a smart bet. Who knows, but turned out fine.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 06:33
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.
Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.
No way a FP kid got rejected ED from Bates and then accepted RD at Williams. Makes no sense. There has to be special circumstances if true.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 22:32
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.
Careful. DD was FP ED a couple of years ago, good grades, scores, ECs, leadership, community. Deferred ED then rejected. Accepted RD at almost every other SLAC she applied including Williams. Assume nothing.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 13:36
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:if pricing was very clear, it all makes sense. for a lot of us, it feels like a trap.
it's true, ED is a game for people who expect no need or merit aid (or are clearly eligible for need aid and have an out if it's not enough)
Anonymous
12/23/2023 12:15
Subject: ED Bates Results?
if pricing was very clear, it all makes sense. for a lot of us, it feels like a trap.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 11:11
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see a couple schools team up and say, you can ED to both of us at the same time.
Can you imagine how popular that would be?
even better would be if you had three say it, schools that already like ED, like Colby, Bates, and Bowdoin . that would be the go-to for so many kids. Most of these schools only accept 30% in ED round, so for most of the kids, they're only getting 1 or maybe 2 offers. And for places like Bates, they'd get a much stronger pool because it includes the kids who probably would prefer Bowdoin, but are okay enough with all three. And there would be some effort to offer financial packages that makes sense and may lure a kid from one to the other.
and for places like Bowdoin in this scenario, they'd be like UChicago. They'd have such a pool doing this that they barely have a RD round.
ED2 is basically this. You could also do something like BRD (binding regular decision). Binding decision with RD timing. You commit to attend if accepted and can only do it one place.
ED2 is still gaming this, sometimes shooter lower than you might otherwise aim to play the odds. Or overshooting once and then again in ed2. I can see a few schools doing a pooled ED - similar to applying to Oxford (UK) with an open application.
I think it's logical to shoot for a school you think you will probably get accepted to in ED2-- RD is such a crapshoot. If your ED1 reach didn't work out, odds are a similarly competitive ED2 reach won't either.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 10:22
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see a couple schools team up and say, you can ED to both of us at the same time.
Can you imagine how popular that would be?
even better would be if you had three say it, schools that already like ED, like Colby, Bates, and Bowdoin . that would be the go-to for so many kids. Most of these schools only accept 30% in ED round, so for most of the kids, they're only getting 1 or maybe 2 offers. And for places like Bates, they'd get a much stronger pool because it includes the kids who probably would prefer Bowdoin, but are okay enough with all three. And there would be some effort to offer financial packages that makes sense and may lure a kid from one to the other.
and for places like Bowdoin in this scenario, they'd be like UChicago. They'd have such a pool doing this that they barely have a RD round.
ED2 is basically this. You could also do something like BRD (binding regular decision). Binding decision with RD timing. You commit to attend if accepted and can only do it one place.
ED2 is still gaming this, sometimes shooter lower than you might otherwise aim to play the odds. Or overshooting once and then again in ed2. I can see a few schools doing a pooled ED - similar to applying to Oxford (UK) with an open application.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 10:10
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see a couple schools team up and say, you can ED to both of us at the same time.
Can you imagine how popular that would be?
even better would be if you had three say it, schools that already like ED, like Colby, Bates, and Bowdoin . that would be the go-to for so many kids. Most of these schools only accept 30% in ED round, so for most of the kids, they're only getting 1 or maybe 2 offers. And for places like Bates, they'd get a much stronger pool because it includes the kids who probably would prefer Bowdoin, but are okay enough with all three. And there would be some effort to offer financial packages that makes sense and may lure a kid from one to the other.
and for places like Bowdoin in this scenario, they'd be like UChicago. They'd have such a pool doing this that they barely have a RD round.
ED2 is basically this. You could also do something like BRD (binding regular decision). Binding decision with RD timing. You commit to attend if accepted and can only do it one place.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 09:03
Subject: ED Bates Results?
I'd love to see a couple schools team up and say, you can ED to both of us at the same time.
Can you imagine how popular that would be?
even better would be if you had three say it, schools that already like ED, like Colby, Bates, and Bowdoin . that would be the go-to for so many kids. Most of these schools only accept 30% in ED round, so for most of the kids, they're only getting 1 or maybe 2 offers. And for places like Bates, they'd get a much stronger pool because it includes the kids who probably would prefer Bowdoin, but are okay enough with all three. And there would be some effort to offer financial packages that makes sense and may lure a kid from one to the other.
and for places like Bowdoin in this scenario, they'd be like UChicago. They'd have such a pool doing this that they barely have a RD round.
Can you imagine how popular that would be?
even better would be if you had three say it, schools that already like ED, like Colby, Bates, and Bowdoin . that would be the go-to for so many kids. Most of these schools only accept 30% in ED round, so for most of the kids, they're only getting 1 or maybe 2 offers. And for places like Bates, they'd get a much stronger pool because it includes the kids who probably would prefer Bowdoin, but are okay enough with all three. And there would be some effort to offer financial packages that makes sense and may lure a kid from one to the other.
and for places like Bowdoin in this scenario, they'd be like UChicago. They'd have such a pool doing this that they barely have a RD round.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 08:57
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
It's much harder to get in RD than ED. Don't they fill half their class - or close to half - during the ED rounds?
Bates appears selective but this is all yield management. They know when a kid isn’t serious. The school’s endowment is very low vs peers. It’s very much need aware. It’s a much easier admit vs Bowdoin and Colby (if full pay).
Anonymous
12/23/2023 08:54
Subject: ED Bates Results?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be more interested in hearing one example of a kid with strong academics who is full pay and got rejected. I doubt it exists.
I haven’t seen it in ED, but a few kids I know from our private with the high stats got rejected in RD last year. Bates is not a safety.
Bates is an ED safety--especially for any full pay applicant. Both the school & the town have lots of issues.