Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 12:18     Subject: Re:UMD in-state

From a purely stats perspective, I know several kids at UMD who have higher stats than some who got into Ivies.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 12:18     Subject: Re:UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The large honors program is not Ivy League material. There's a smaller BK honors program that is.



What’s BK?


Banneker Key scholars. Its mostly just a full scholarship. They don't do anything different (really) than the honors kids. The populations of kids offered BK or even honors ARE Ivy material in the sense that many of them pass on the offer because they got into an Ivy and some of the rest had credentials that were not notably different from the Ivy accepts. Ivys could take a 2nd string or 3rd string class from their applicants that would be the same quality as the class they accept. I'd guess the top quarter or third of honors kids at MD are not notably different from the freshman class at [insert Ivy]. Its hair spitting at that point.

From a purely stats perspective, I know several kids at UMD who have higher stats than some who got into Ivies.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 11:55     Subject: UMD in-state
URM more likely to get BK which is fine. Not impossible for majority student, just more difficult.

UMD instate on presidential scholarship is still 1/10th the cost of Ivy or similar highly rejective private college.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 10:34     Subject: Re:UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The large honors program is not Ivy League material. There's a smaller BK honors program that is.



What’s BK?


Banneker Key scholars. Its mostly just a full scholarship. They don't do anything different (really) than the honors kids. The populations of kids offered BK or even honors ARE Ivy material in the sense that many of them pass on the offer because they got into an Ivy and some of the rest had credentials that were not notably different from the Ivy accepts. Ivys could take a 2nd string or 3rd string class from their applicants that would be the same quality as the class they accept. I'd guess the top quarter or third of honors kids at MD are not notably different from the freshman class at [insert Ivy]. Its hair spitting at that point.


Correct.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 10:28     Subject: Re:UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:

The large honors program is not Ivy League material. There's a smaller BK honors program that is.



What’s BK?


Banneker Key scholars. Its mostly just a full scholarship. They don't do anything different (really) than the honors kids. The populations of kids offered BK or even honors ARE Ivy material in the sense that many of them pass on the offer because they got into an Ivy and some of the rest had credentials that were not notably different from the Ivy accepts. Ivys could take a 2nd string or 3rd string class from their applicants that would be the same quality as the class they accept. I'd guess the top quarter or third of honors kids at MD are not notably different from the freshman class at [insert Ivy]. Its hair spitting at that point.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 10:14     Subject: Re:UMD in-state


The large honors program is not Ivy League material. There's a smaller BK honors program that is.



What’s BK?
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 09:30     Subject: UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UMD is pretty stats driven and cares about weighted GPA.


I think they recompute GPA using their methods since, in MCPS, every grade level class these days is honors and gets a 5.0. This redners weight GPA meaningless.

I don't think they do. I think they use weighted because it makes their overall GPA of admitted students very high (due to all the full Point honors weightings).

Every school district uses a different weighting system for honors and APs. UMD has to convert everyone to one weighting system or they cannot compare students.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 09:17     Subject: Re:UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:They want kids from wide range of counties. Their AOs have said, "We are not the University of Montgomery County."

If you have high scores, submit them. But you are not dinged if you go TO.

They do want high GPA and around 1,000 of the kids who have stats for the Ivy League. These 1,000 or so get into the honors program. These extremely high stats kids usually end up on honors BUT you can be high stats and not get into honors due to lack of room or maybe they want a CS major and your kid is a business major or vice versa.

I attended UMD. One of my freshman year friends transferred to Yale in the spring semester...

They want variety. They don't want a school or honors program or LLC of just two majors or one or two parts of the state or just students from Maryland.

They want kids in band with musical talents. They want kids who can act in the theater program. They want talented CS majors and business majors. They definitely want people in the AGNR school. They want students who have spirit and like football games. They want diversity and seem to like students from India because there's around 1,000 per year that are accepted or attend...can't remember which.

They want student who are ready to contribute to the UMD life and culture in some way or other.

UMD has some faults but they do seem to hire people who are willing to fix problems, and that's important in any large organization.


The large honors program is not Ivy League material. There's a smaller BK honors program that is.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 09:15     Subject: UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They are going on test scores

It’s gone upper 3rd big ten regarding test scores and the preppy lacrosse DC nonsense hardcore.


Can you translate please?


It’s maxing out on inside the Washington DC beltway, Chesapeake region lacrosse, richest state in the nation, small state with mountains alpine region with high snowfall, piedmont, largest estuary Crabcake central, beach with largest offshore fishing tournament, lacrosse center of the universe hall of fame home. 3rd highest SAT scores in B1G. It’s obnoxious


OMG! How about speaking English? What is BIG? I have lived in the US for 25 years and I don’t have an f-big clue what you are trying to say. English is my first language btw. Surely I’m not the only one that needs an actual plain English translator to understand the college process?


Google is your friend. If you can't look up a word or even copy 3 letters correctly, maybe you aren't college material.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 09:13     Subject: Re:UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:They want kids from wide range of counties. Their AOs have said, "We are not the University of Montgomery County."

If you have high scores, submit them. But you are not dinged if you go TO.

They do want high GPA and around 1,000 of the kids who have stats for the Ivy League. These 1,000 or so get into the honors program. These extremely high stats kids usually end up on honors BUT you can be high stats and not get into honors due to lack of room or maybe they want a CS major and your kid is a business major or vice versa.

I attended UMD. One of my freshman year friends transferred to Yale in the spring semester...

They want variety. They don't want a school or honors program or LLC of just two majors or one or two parts of the state or just students from Maryland.

They want kids in band with musical talents. They want kids who can act in the theater program. They want talented CS majors and business majors. They definitely want people in the AGNR school. They want students who have spirit and like football games. They want diversity and seem to like students from India because there's around 1,000 per year that are accepted or attend...can't remember which.

They want student who are ready to contribute to the UMD life and culture in some way or other.

UMD has some faults but they do seem to hire people who are willing to fix problems, and that's important in any large organization.


1000 total, not per year.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-maryland-college-park/student-life/international/#modalIN
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 08:52     Subject: UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like the surest way to get into UMD is to transfer from community college. Everyone I know who was rejected when applying in HS who then decided to go to community college first were successful when applying for a transfer to UMD. Even those who were not standouts in high school at all.


That may be true but I've also heard that a very high number of CC transfers who get in later bomb out because they aren't adequately prepared.


My org chem professor at UMD and Montgomery College was the same person. Montgomery college has excellent teachers, amazing labs, and great opportunities for students who want to learn. There was no difference in the level of preparation between UMD and MoCo. The classes in Moco are smaller and professors are more accessible. It’s an amazing option for those dead set on UMD who did not get in.


I can confirm that it worked great for a kid I know, who went to MC, transferred to UMD, then did a graduate program at Hopkins. She's an immigrant who arrived in high school and whose parents didn't really know how college admissions worked. Very gratifying success story.

My kid did a summer camp in one of their lab buildings, and as a research scientist, I was quite impressed with their set-up, their labs, and with the brief snatches of lectures I caught from professors who were teaching there.

I really think that more cash-strapped families should consider this, instead of getting into debt for a 4 year experience. I know Americans really want their kids to make friends as freshmen in dorms, and have the full campus experience... but at 30K a year, or more if you cannot enroll in your state institutions? For *most* families who are not DCUM-rich, Montgomery college needs to be on the table. It's a useful choice, and we are lucky to have it.



most american families/kids don't have the same drive to success though. it's a serious mistake to assume you can replicate the same success.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 08:45     Subject: UMD in-state

The Big Ten membership has really turbocharged UMD. UMD already has the 3rd highest SAT scores for incoming classes in the conference and going to be harder and harder to get in. It’s the only flagship type school in the state so it doesn’t have an in state rival institution which gets it more money. It has decent weather and the best STEM / political internship opportunities in the conference inside the nations capital beltway. In the coast to coast research giant Big Ten it has a good image.. UMD sounds nice, the bay, DC, the flag, crabcakes … it has branding that’s unique. Very well
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 08:35     Subject: UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The whole big ten thing is expential. The coast to coast alliance and reasearch titans all United and with the best tv football is elite. UMD identified by the B1G as the most valuable member of the ACC just vaulted it into the stratosphere. Just going to get harder and harder to get in due to multitudes of reasons.


What does any of this mean?


Yes. People, posting here is like driving: you shouldn’t do it if you are too drunk to walk. If you find yourself typing “expential,” it’s time for bed.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 08:31     Subject: UMD in-state
UMD is great for STEM and direct admits into those majors. People seem less satisfied with non-STEM at UMD.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2023 08:24     Subject: UMD in-state
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like the surest way to get into UMD is to transfer from community college. Everyone I know who was rejected when applying in HS who then decided to go to community college first were successful when applying for a transfer to UMD. Even those who were not standouts in high school at all.


That may be true but I've also heard that a very high number of CC transfers who get in later bomb out because they aren't adequately prepared.


My org chem professor at UMD and Montgomery College was the same person. Montgomery college has excellent teachers, amazing labs, and great opportunities for students who want to learn. There was no difference in the level of preparation between UMD and MoCo. The classes in Moco are smaller and professors are more accessible. It’s an amazing option for those dead set on UMD who did not get in.


I can confirm that it worked great for a kid I know, who went to MC, transferred to UMD, then did a graduate program at Hopkins. She's an immigrant who arrived in high school and whose parents didn't really know how college admissions worked. Very gratifying success story.

My kid did a summer camp in one of their lab buildings, and as a research scientist, I was quite impressed with their set-up, their labs, and with the brief snatches of lectures I caught from professors who were teaching there.

I really think that more cash-strapped families should consider this, instead of getting into debt for a 4 year experience. I know Americans really want their kids to make friends as freshmen in dorms, and have the full campus experience... but at 30K a year, or more if you cannot enroll in your state institutions? For *most* families who are not DCUM-rich, Montgomery college needs to be on the table. It's a useful choice, and we are lucky to have it.