Anonymous
12/07/2023 12:22
Subject: Re:Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ivies take the top couple percent of kids--I don't think it's grade inflation that they will mainly earn As. More like appropriate benchmarking. So I think this is kind of a dumb question.
This.
Not this. Yale, for example, allows last minute withdrawal from any course. Well utilized to protect gpa. Survivorship bias anyone?
If students are allowed to withdrawal from any course last minute, not many should be graduating in 4 yrs. If a hypothetical student withdraws 1 course per semester, that's 8 courses to make up at the end of 4 years. That's a full year, 2 semesters, to make up. Assuming the student withdraws 1 class each during the 5th year, that's an extra summer or a part-time semester the 6th year.
From my experience with schools that allow students to withdraw from courses at the last minute (and Yale is not the only one), students take more credits than they need with the expectation that they will withdraw from one. They aren't always doing that for grade protection. They sometimes just want to "try it before they buy it" or they don't have a good sense of the workload and want to see which one of the non-essential courses becomes too much to handle. At some schools, though, the withdrawal has to occur before the first graded assignment. I don't know if that is the case at Yale.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:29
Subject: Re:Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ivies take the top couple percent of kids--I don't think it's grade inflation that they will mainly earn As. More like appropriate benchmarking. So I think this is kind of a dumb question.
This.
Not this. Yale, for example, allows last minute withdrawal from any course. Well utilized to protect gpa. Survivorship bias anyone?
If students are allowed to withdrawal from any course last minute, not many should be graduating in 4 yrs. If a hypothetical student withdraws 1 course per semester, that's 8 courses to make up at the end of 4 years. That's a full year, 2 semesters, to make up. Assuming the student withdraws 1 class each during the 5th year, that's an extra summer or a part-time semester the 6th year.
Only 88% of Yale students graduate in 4 years.
But quite often it’s be because students are taking time off to do things like tour the world with the Whiffs. If you’re going to fling out statistics, it would be nice if you could provide information about what such statistics actually might mean.
How many students are actually taking courses during more than 8 semesters?
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:26
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grading means sorting and ranking the group before you. If everyone gets an A that is not grading. It's fake.
If you are teaching the einsteins and newtons of the age, the cream of the crop naturally rise to the top.
Meh, not everyone admitted is an Einstein or Newton. Please. What an ego!
DP. Agree that was pretty inflated, but the kids getting into these schools are by and large intensely academic, applying with high GPAs and strings of APs. It's not surprising that the earn mostly As in college.
As was stated in the Yale thread on this same topic, getting an A in high school, particularly from a grade-inflating high school, does not guarantee that you will succeed in real college level course work, particularly course work that is supposed to be superior to all other course work. Basically you are arguing that if a kid graduates high school with all As, it is guaranteed that they will get all As in college, so grade inflation can't exist or doesn't matter, as these folks, purely by virtue of their admission to the institution, should be assumed to know it all.
Also, if these schools are supposed to the the cream of the crop, then even the best high school graduates should struggle to to do well there. If everyone can get an A, the test isn't challenging enough.
Why should they struggle? Why shouldn't everyone who submits top notch work earn an A? Your reasoning makes no sense.
You ignore that these kids also have relevant honors, great essays/recs, and AP scores to support. They are high achievers. It is no surprise that they are earning high grades.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:17
Subject: Re:Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ivies take the top couple percent of kids--I don't think it's grade inflation that they will mainly earn As. More like appropriate benchmarking. So I think this is kind of a dumb question.
This.
Not this. Yale, for example, allows last minute withdrawal from any course. Well utilized to protect gpa. Survivorship bias anyone?
If students are allowed to withdrawal from any course last minute, not many should be graduating in 4 yrs. If a hypothetical student withdraws 1 course per semester, that's 8 courses to make up at the end of 4 years. That's a full year, 2 semesters, to make up. Assuming the student withdraws 1 class each during the 5th year, that's an extra summer or a part-time semester the 6th year.
Only 88% of Yale students graduate in 4 years.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:14
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grading means sorting and ranking the group before you. If everyone gets an A that is not grading. It's fake.
If you are teaching the einsteins and newtons of the age, the cream of the crop naturally rise to the top.
Meh, not everyone admitted is an Einstein or Newton. Please. What an ego!
DP. Agree that was pretty inflated, but the kids getting into these schools are by and large intensely academic, applying with high GPAs and strings of APs. It's not surprising that the earn mostly As in college.
As was stated in the Yale thread on this same topic, getting an A in high school, particularly from a grade-inflating high school, does not guarantee that you will succeed in real college level course work, particularly course work that is supposed to be superior to all other course work. Basically you are arguing that if a kid graduates high school with all As, it is guaranteed that they will get all As in college, so grade inflation can't exist or doesn't matter, as these folks, purely by virtue of their admission to the institution, should be assumed to know it all.
Also, if these schools are supposed to the the cream of the crop, then even the best high school graduates should struggle to to do well there. If everyone can get an A, the test isn't challenging enough.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:13
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grading means sorting and ranking the group before you. If everyone gets an A that is not grading. It's fake.
If you are teaching the einsteins and newtons of the age, the cream of the crop naturally rise to the top.
Meh, not everyone admitted is an Einstein or Newton. Please. What an ego!
I am pretty sure they don't take from the bottom of the barrel.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:13
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what if they do? Nobody cares about your gpa, they only care that you graduated.
Grad schools care.
They care that you went to any Ivy, beyond that they will look at what courses you took.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:11
Subject: Re:Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ivies take the top couple percent of kids--I don't think it's grade inflation that they will mainly earn As. More like appropriate benchmarking. So I think this is kind of a dumb question.
This.
Not this. Yale, for example, allows last minute withdrawal from any course. Well utilized to protect gpa. Survivorship bias anyone?
If students are allowed to withdrawal from any course last minute, not many should be graduating in 4 yrs. If a hypothetical student withdraws 1 course per semester, that's 8 courses to make up at the end of 4 years. That's a full year, 2 semesters, to make up. Assuming the student withdraws 1 class each during the 5th year, that's an extra summer or a part-time semester the 6th year.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:07
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grading means sorting and ranking the group before you. If everyone gets an A that is not grading. It's fake.
If you are teaching the einsteins and newtons of the age, the cream of the crop naturally rise to the top.
Einstein was not a straight-A student. He wouldn't have even been admitted. The people who get in these days are the ones who kick, bite, and scream to get As. Ask high school teachers.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:06
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grading means sorting and ranking the group before you. If everyone gets an A that is not grading. It's fake.
If you are teaching the einsteins and newtons of the age, the cream of the crop naturally rise to the top.
Meh, not everyone admitted is an Einstein or Newton. Please. What an ego!
DP. Agree that was pretty inflated, but the kids getting into these schools are by and large intensely academic, applying with high GPAs and strings of APs. It's not surprising that the earn mostly As in college.
Anonymous
12/07/2023 11:03
Subject: Does UPenn grade inflate like other Ivies?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Grading means sorting and ranking the group before you. If everyone gets an A that is not grading. It's fake.
If you are teaching the einsteins and newtons of the age, the cream of the crop naturally rise to the top.
Meh, not everyone admitted is an Einstein or Newton. Please. What an ego!