Anonymous
12/05/2023 16:44
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:No, not feeling that way. Celebrating Hanukkah doesn't have anything to do with supporting nor condemning the state of Israel.
No jew condems Israel. I say that as a Jew a non religious Jew but a Jew non the less.
Hamas is the issue full stop any other narrative can screw off.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 16:41
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
What court has found Israel guilty of war crimes?
Well thats not what this thread is about, buuuuut since you asked:
We will soon find out, apparently yesterday Erdogan called for Bibi to be tried. "The butcher of gaza" has quite the ring to it. We will see what happens, but it's clear that many things happening are war crimes -
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-israels-netanyahu-will-be-tried-war-criminal-2023-12-04/
Feel free to check the sources at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
I'm appalled by Israel's government and Netanyahu, but pardon me if I don't consider Erdogan to be an entirely good-faith judge of what's going on. (For one, he previously said Israelis are "only satisfied by sucking [Palestinian children's] blood" and that behind all opposition to Turkey's government lies "this mastermind," before his political allies produced a video titled "The Mastermind" that opened with a Star of David.)
I wouldn't expect to see Netanyahu on trial for war crimes unless the opposition takes power and decides to throw him overboard, and even then, he'd probably flee to somewhere where he couldn't be made to stand trial.
I agree with you on Erdogan, but there is other unrest simmering, this was just a very public and recent call for action. The Netherlands has been accused of "war crime complicity", and I feel like the longer this war goes on (aka the more people are killed) the more sh*t is going to hit the fan for Bibi and countries supporting israel.
Anyways, just saying that there are lots of israelis and jews that dont support the measures being taken and are finding this season difficult.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 16:36
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
What court has found Israel guilty of war crimes?
Well thats not what this thread is about, buuuuut since you asked:
We will soon find out, apparently yesterday Erdogan called for Bibi to be tried. "The butcher of gaza" has quite the ring to it. We will see what happens, but it's clear that many things happening are war crimes -
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-israels-netanyahu-will-be-tried-war-criminal-2023-12-04/
Feel free to check the sources at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
I'm appalled by Israel's government and Netanyahu, but pardon me if I don't consider Erdogan to be an entirely good-faith judge of what's going on. (For one, he previously said Israelis are "only satisfied by sucking [Palestinian children's] blood" and that behind all opposition to Turkey's government lies "this mastermind," before his political allies produced a video titled "The Mastermind" that opened with a Star of David.)
I wouldn't expect to see Netanyahu on trial for war crimes unless the opposition takes power and decides to throw him overboard, and even then, he'd probably flee to somewhere where he couldn't be made to stand trial.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 16:29
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
What court has found Israel guilty of war crimes?
Well thats not what this thread is about, buuuuut since you asked:
We will soon find out, apparently yesterday Erdogan called for Bibi to be tried. "The butcher of gaza" has quite the ring to it. We will see what happens, but it's clear that many things happening are war crimes -
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-says-israels-netanyahu-will-be-tried-war-criminal-2023-12-04/
Feel free to check the sources at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
Anonymous
12/05/2023 16:14
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
What court has found Israel guilty of war crimes?
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:44
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like we have to celebrate and find joy where we can
Agree. That's what's the terrorists want - for us not to be Jewish - so we have to be Jewish.
Religion is for God, not for politics. Don't be Jewish for Israel or Hamas, do it for yourself. Be the light in the darkness for all. No terrorist on either side truly cares about any religion, unless they can use it to control people.
Terrorist on both sides you say?
Personally, I'd put Smotrich and Ben-Gvir in that category, and maybe Bibi, too. And also large numbers of West Bank settlers.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:37
Subject: Re:Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
We are celebrating, but I feel more anxiety about putting the electric menorah in the window than I have in years past due to the rise in antisemitism.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:34
Subject: Re:Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
OP - I have Jewish friends who are struggling also. I am only wishing happy Hannukah to close friends.
I hope you do find a way to take some joy in this holiday though.
I hope you do find a way to take some joy in this holiday though.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:32
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
And now the thread has devolved exactly into what OP likely wanted. SMDH.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:28
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
you have a lot of angst and struggle going on, having to exist in a world where the Jews are so evil but at the same time, we need to see them celebrate their holidays. So angsty.
You have clearly not understood what I've written at all. That's fine if you are not struggling, I'm glad for you! Different people process things differently. It's clear our levels of empathy are quite different. Perhaps anger too. Good luck.
I didn't say I wasn't an empathetic person. Also, you mention anger--I am not prone to anger, as it accomplishes nothing and it put me in position as judge. We hear supporters of terrorism say all the time that an oppressed people are go angry they can't help their violence. I suggest they control their anger like adults and choose instead to participate in a political struggle.
Your posts came off quite angry towards me and my admitting to struggling. Instead of showing any empathy you chose to make fun of me by calling me angsty and then trying to imply I'm a self hating jew. A little kindness goes a long way, I hope you find that in your life.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:21
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like we have to celebrate and find joy where we can
Agree. That's what's the terrorists want - for us not to be Jewish - so we have to be Jewish.
Religion is for God, not for politics. Don't be Jewish for Israel or Hamas, do it for yourself. Be the light in the darkness for all. No terrorist on either side truly cares about any religion, unless they can use it to control people.
Terrorist on both sides you say?
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:20
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
you have a lot of angst and struggle going on, having to exist in a world where the Jews are so evil but at the same time, we need to see them celebrate their holidays. So angsty.
You have clearly not understood what I've written at all. That's fine if you are not struggling, I'm glad for you! Different people process things differently. It's clear our levels of empathy are quite different. Perhaps anger too. Good luck.
I didn't say I wasn't an empathetic person. Also, you mention anger--I am not prone to anger, as it accomplishes nothing and it put me in position as judge. We hear supporters of terrorism say all the time that an oppressed people are go angry they can't help their violence. I suggest they control their anger like adults and choose instead to participate in a political struggle.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:07
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
*meant not related to current events
Anonymous
12/05/2023 15:04
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like we have to celebrate and find joy where we can
Agree. That's what's the terrorists want - for us not to be Jewish - so we have to be Jewish.
Religion is for God, not for politics. Don't be Jewish for Israel or Hamas, do it for yourself. Be the light in the darkness for all. No terrorist on either side truly cares about any religion, unless they can use it to control people.
Anonymous
12/05/2023 14:57
Subject: Just doesn’t feel right celebrating Hanukkah this year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel like this post was written by someone who is not Jewish the same way conservative trolls will try to post things from the perspective of "a lifelong liberal who is now disillusioned".
Judaism is not Israel. I'm ashamed of Israel's war crimes the same way I am ashamed of the US war crimes following 9-11. That doesn't mean I don't still believe in democracy.
I'm the pp from previous page that said I was struggling with the war crimes. I feel the same way about 9/11. If 9/11 was actually 6/11, would you still feel so jolly about celebrating 7/4 so soon after? IMO no, it would certainly dampen the mood. I get that 7/4 isnt religious, but the "feeling" is missing, related directly to crimes being committed by what I'm supposed to celebrate.
you have a lot of angst and struggle going on, having to exist in a world where the Jews are so evil but at the same time, we need to see them celebrate their holidays. So angsty.
You have clearly not understood what I've written at all. That's fine if you are not struggling, I'm glad for you! Different people process things differently. It's clear our levels of empathy are quite different. Perhaps anger too. Good luck.