Anonymous
12/28/2023 21:56
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Far fewer female former players are interested in getting involved in coaching soccer than males. A lot of male former players really want to stay in the sport and stay involved even if not playing competitively anymore.
Most female former players move onto other activities and other ways to spend their time when they finish playing. There are many exceptions of course, but as mentioned earlier this thins the numbers out in the entry level coaching courses by a LOT.
The C license is where things really get serious with the coaching courses. Very few females in them to begin with. Why? don't know, there are far fewer female coaches to begin with too.
Far more males participate in sports, and in soccer than females, and that trickles down to coaching. Coaching is very stressful, often a grind, at odd times of day, early weekends, holidays, when other people are taking vacations, and requires making personal sacrifices and financial sacrifices at times.
More males are willing to make these personal sacrifices than females. Why? don't know, but if more females were willing to make these sacrifices there would be more of them coaching. Every club and coaching staff out there would love to have more female coaches.
Most female former players move onto other activities and other ways to spend their time when they finish playing. There are many exceptions of course, but as mentioned earlier this thins the numbers out in the entry level coaching courses by a LOT.
The C license is where things really get serious with the coaching courses. Very few females in them to begin with. Why? don't know, there are far fewer female coaches to begin with too.
Far more males participate in sports, and in soccer than females, and that trickles down to coaching. Coaching is very stressful, often a grind, at odd times of day, early weekends, holidays, when other people are taking vacations, and requires making personal sacrifices and financial sacrifices at times.
More males are willing to make these personal sacrifices than females. Why? don't know, but if more females were willing to make these sacrifices there would be more of them coaching. Every club and coaching staff out there would love to have more female coaches.
Anonymous
12/28/2023 19:17
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just looked at the roster too! Florida’s entire coaching staff is men. And Stanford has one woman.
It’s going to be a long time.
I would say 97% of colleges have all male soccer coaching staff.
This is disgusting and unacceptable. Our country is so backwards.
So you’re saying there are only 10 women’s college soccer coaching staffs with a female coach on it?
Anonymous
12/28/2023 17:59
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
And the guy who played 3 years at a D2 and went into coaching u11s have more soccer knowledge than a former nwsl player?
Anonymous
12/28/2023 15:40
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Anonymous wrote:Several issues likely held the numbers down. But, now, I think you should start to see rapid growth in the numbers of women coaches. Why?
NWSL players who are leaving the league are not all well-off and they will have pretty impressive playing resumes. All of the coaches my daughter had growing up played either in college or in Europe. None played Premier Division 1, but all played some professional soccer. Then they got into youth coaching.
No, Morgan isn’t going to coach u9s. But the roster turnover is going to be about 25 percent ever year. And, USLW will be about the same. It should take about 10 seconds before the top youth clubs start pushing their women coaches as the reason to come play for them. “Jane Doe coaches our u15s. Jane played 4 years at Big College and then 3 years with NWSL team X.”
The pro players and national team players are great athletes with varying degrees of game knowledge. Most of the very good players just do their thing because they have the athleticism to do it. They are not students of the game. The u littles require a different type of coach vs u15 vs u18 vs u23 plus. The NWSL has a very narrow style of play and is very limited in terms of soccer iq, technical skill, tactics and strategy.
Also the pay suck, few pro players want to coach u9-u13(because the play is so bad) and many of the players have come through the US system which is way behind the rest of the world.
Anonymous
12/28/2023 15:29
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just looked at the roster too! Florida’s entire coaching staff is men. And Stanford has one woman.
It’s going to be a long time.
I would say 97% of colleges have all male soccer coaching staff.
This is disgusting and unacceptable. Our country is so backwards.
Anonymous
12/28/2023 14:45
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
While I think there will be SOME growth, I doubt there will be rapid growth, there simply isn't a catalyst. Maybe with the world cup coming some things will change but...
Clubs with good female coaches on girls' teams already use this for promotion, some of them even have former national team players on their staff at the youth level.
From what I've experience female coaches are already very desirable and will sometimes be placed over even more qualified male coaches if it's for a girls' team. This isn't new.
The big factor is there isn't much money to be made at the lower levels. Getting a young adult or someone who played professionally as a woman to transition into youth coaching is more of a passion project than anything else. So, unless the goal is to try to make a career out of it by being a college or Pro coach, considering the time investment required it's a tough proposition.
The other tough pill to swallow is even at the pro level for women's soccer, you're not getting paid much, I think the minimum salary for NWSL is $36,400 and the average is like 50 or 60k. I've known some former players who had to bunk with other players for accommodations or guest families just to get by. This makes even playing professionally a non-starter for a lot of folks who can make a lot more doing a "normal" job.
Sure, most the girls on the national team are doing alright as they make much more money, but for the "average" pro women player in the US, times are tough.
Clubs with good female coaches on girls' teams already use this for promotion, some of them even have former national team players on their staff at the youth level.
From what I've experience female coaches are already very desirable and will sometimes be placed over even more qualified male coaches if it's for a girls' team. This isn't new.
The big factor is there isn't much money to be made at the lower levels. Getting a young adult or someone who played professionally as a woman to transition into youth coaching is more of a passion project than anything else. So, unless the goal is to try to make a career out of it by being a college or Pro coach, considering the time investment required it's a tough proposition.
The other tough pill to swallow is even at the pro level for women's soccer, you're not getting paid much, I think the minimum salary for NWSL is $36,400 and the average is like 50 or 60k. I've known some former players who had to bunk with other players for accommodations or guest families just to get by. This makes even playing professionally a non-starter for a lot of folks who can make a lot more doing a "normal" job.
Sure, most the girls on the national team are doing alright as they make much more money, but for the "average" pro women player in the US, times are tough.
Anonymous
12/28/2023 14:13
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Several issues likely held the numbers down. But, now, I think you should start to see rapid growth in the numbers of women coaches. Why?
NWSL players who are leaving the league are not all well-off and they will have pretty impressive playing resumes. All of the coaches my daughter had growing up played either in college or in Europe. None played Premier Division 1, but all played some professional soccer. Then they got into youth coaching.
No, Morgan isn’t going to coach u9s. But the roster turnover is going to be about 25 percent ever year. And, USLW will be about the same. It should take about 10 seconds before the top youth clubs start pushing their women coaches as the reason to come play for them. “Jane Doe coaches our u15s. Jane played 4 years at Big College and then 3 years with NWSL team X.”
NWSL players who are leaving the league are not all well-off and they will have pretty impressive playing resumes. All of the coaches my daughter had growing up played either in college or in Europe. None played Premier Division 1, but all played some professional soccer. Then they got into youth coaching.
No, Morgan isn’t going to coach u9s. But the roster turnover is going to be about 25 percent ever year. And, USLW will be about the same. It should take about 10 seconds before the top youth clubs start pushing their women coaches as the reason to come play for them. “Jane Doe coaches our u15s. Jane played 4 years at Big College and then 3 years with NWSL team X.”
Anonymous
12/28/2023 08:34
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Coach here,
I think a lot of it boils down to a numbers game. I recently attended a soccer licensing coarse and out of about 30 coaches there were two females in attendance.
This is not my first course and is fairly normal numbers wise. I will also add that the women in attendance were celebrated, and both the instructors and the other male coaches encouraged them and more women to get into coaching.
I can't speak for other sports, but with over 15 years' experience in coaching soccer it's not surprising to me that the coaching staff is male dominated simply based on what I see coming through the pipe.
Some additional, albeit anecdotal evidence. My daughter who played in college was considering coaching as a potential career or at least side gig. Everywhere she considered applying to was extremely interested and eager to add her to their staff, as they wanted more women for their women's programs. So, I don't think the barriers to entry are insurmountable.
What I do find always interesting is we tend to look at the pinnacle of programs (D1 schools for example) and try to extrapolate from there. I would be interested to know what D2 and D3 staffing breakdowns look like for women's soccer.
Lastly, high level programs tend to look for the best candidate, regardless of sex etc. It would be more interesting to compare coaching selection against the pool of realistically available coaching talent, rather then simply say "I wonder why they don't have more coaches with this sex, race, age, religion etc..."
So I guess my question would be who do you think would better coach these two teams instead of the current coaches and why?
I think a lot of it boils down to a numbers game. I recently attended a soccer licensing coarse and out of about 30 coaches there were two females in attendance.
This is not my first course and is fairly normal numbers wise. I will also add that the women in attendance were celebrated, and both the instructors and the other male coaches encouraged them and more women to get into coaching.
I can't speak for other sports, but with over 15 years' experience in coaching soccer it's not surprising to me that the coaching staff is male dominated simply based on what I see coming through the pipe.
Some additional, albeit anecdotal evidence. My daughter who played in college was considering coaching as a potential career or at least side gig. Everywhere she considered applying to was extremely interested and eager to add her to their staff, as they wanted more women for their women's programs. So, I don't think the barriers to entry are insurmountable.
What I do find always interesting is we tend to look at the pinnacle of programs (D1 schools for example) and try to extrapolate from there. I would be interested to know what D2 and D3 staffing breakdowns look like for women's soccer.
Lastly, high level programs tend to look for the best candidate, regardless of sex etc. It would be more interesting to compare coaching selection against the pool of realistically available coaching talent, rather then simply say "I wonder why they don't have more coaches with this sex, race, age, religion etc..."
So I guess my question would be who do you think would better coach these two teams instead of the current coaches and why?
Anonymous
12/06/2023 14:51
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
So why has GW had coaches on campus this week interviewing?
Anonymous
12/06/2023 14:37
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Anonymous wrote:What are the soccer issues with men coaching women?
what are the issues of women coaching men?
Anonymous
12/06/2023 14:33
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Anonymous wrote:People don’t apply? What are you talking about we are talking about D1 women’s soccer. Outside the P5 conferences which is small percentage of schools that make up D1 women’s soccer most coaches do apply express interest and interview they are not recruited.
No they don’t.
Anonymous
12/06/2023 14:33
Subject: Re:Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
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Anonymous
12/06/2023 14:33
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
Anonymous wrote:GW is hiring a new coach. You think they have money to wine and dine to recruit a coach for a non revenue sport at mid major athletic program? That is stupid. Yes people do apply, express interest and interview for women soccer jobs.
Yes. They will. Because while it’s not a revenue sport I increases alumni donations.
Anonymous
12/06/2023 13:57
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
GW is hiring a new coach. You think they have money to wine and dine to recruit a coach for a non revenue sport at mid major athletic program? That is stupid. Yes people do apply, express interest and interview for women soccer jobs.
Anonymous
12/06/2023 13:51
Subject: Women's college soccer and beyond: male coaches
People don’t apply? What are you talking about we are talking about D1 women’s soccer. Outside the P5 conferences which is small percentage of schools that make up D1 women’s soccer most coaches do apply express interest and interview they are not recruited.