Anonymous
11/30/2023 16:16
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Big change is coming. Surprisingly “big education” is behind the curve on technology and clinging to lazy, expensive, inefficient models. So much entrepreneurial opportunity in big education.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 16:15
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".
Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?
I was adamant our older son go into skilled trades - in his case, plumbing. At least one of them needs to be successful. His younger brother is pissing away our home equity 11 semesters into a never ending quest for a BA in ……. something
? you were adamant ?
Yes. Adamant.
It means “insistent or refusing to be swayed”.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 16:10
Subject: Re:The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a great move by companies as it will allow more access to professional jobs.
I don't think it will dramatically shift the US culture of valuing a college degree anytime soon. In a million ways, college experiences create an advantage for those who attend over those who don't. Think about the hs kids who went away to college, vs those who only attended community college or who never went. Put them both in a boardroom. Who wins?
My kid has a welder/CNC-fabricator. Put him in a machine shop with a Wharton School MBA, have both build automated package handling systems for an Amazon distribution center.
Who wins?
The Wharton grad who consults about process and walks away with 50x whatever the CNC operator can get away with charging
That wasn’t the scenario as-defined. I’m sorry your reading comprehension so poor. MBA?
Do you really think a cnc operator is capable of delivering an automated package handling system for Amazon? There are engineers who spend their entire careers specializing in designing those systems.
Again - your reading comprehension fails you.
I didn’t say “CNC operator”. I said CNC fabricator.
I used the Amazon example because my son actually did that exact contract for an Amazon distribution center in Kansas City.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 16:07
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:I doubt you need an MBA to run a welding business.
No but most trade apprenticeships run 5 years before someone earns their Journeyman card, with usually at least 24 months as a Journeyman before a tradesperson can test for their Master’s License. So all told, even for exceptionally motivated people, it takes a minimum of seven years to achieve a Master’s License.
Getting an Masters of Business Administration is considerably faster and easier. You can do it completely online, even. Not so for a trades Master’s License, it’s a lot tougher.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 15:57
Subject: Re:The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a great move by companies as it will allow more access to professional jobs.
I don't think it will dramatically shift the US culture of valuing a college degree anytime soon. In a million ways, college experiences create an advantage for those who attend over those who don't. Think about the hs kids who went away to college, vs those who only attended community college or who never went. Put them both in a boardroom. Who wins?
My kid has a welder/CNC-fabricator. Put him in a machine shop with a Wharton School MBA, have both build automated package handling systems for an Amazon distribution center.
Who wins?
The Wharton grad who consults about process and walks away with 50x whatever the CNC operator can get away with charging
That wasn’t the scenario as-defined. I’m sorry your reading comprehension so poor. MBA?
Do you really think a cnc operator is capable of delivering an automated package handling system for Amazon? There are engineers who spend their entire careers specializing in designing those systems.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 15:51
Subject: Re:The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a great move by companies as it will allow more access to professional jobs.
I don't think it will dramatically shift the US culture of valuing a college degree anytime soon. In a million ways, college experiences create an advantage for those who attend over those who don't. Think about the hs kids who went away to college, vs those who only attended community college or who never went. Put them both in a boardroom. Who wins?
My kid has a welder/CNC-fabricator. Put him in a machine shop with a Wharton School MBA, have both build automated package handling systems for an Amazon distribution center.
Who wins?
The Wharton grad who consults about process and walks away with 50x whatever the CNC operator can get away with charging
That wasn’t the scenario as-defined. I’m sorry your reading comprehension so poor. MBA?
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:38
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.
With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?
I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.
No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement
College leads to a degree which is still the preference of the vast majority of employers for jobs that you would actually want you kid to do
Not anymore. Everything is changed, everything is broken. Including a bachelor's degree.
What job category, that leads to a white collar professional life, has a majority of entry level workers without bachelors degrees?
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:35
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".
Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?
I was adamant our older son go into skilled trades - in his case, plumbing. At least one of them needs to be successful. His younger brother is pissing away our home equity 11 semesters into a never ending quest for a BA in ……. something
? you were adamant ?
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:34
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?
Waves hand! 🖐️
Happily encouraged our kid not to bother with college!
great, so that's at least one.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:33
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.
With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?
I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.
No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement
College leads to a degree which is still the preference of the vast majority of employers for jobs that you would actually want you kid to do
Again with the turning up the nose at the trades.
My welder daughter is 26 and debt free save for her house. She has a brand new truck, a home of her own bought with no co signer two years ago.
She works to live and not the opposite.
Oh yes, she paid for her schooling herself which was reimbursed by her employer. She is now working on an MBA for the skills and knowledge to be able to own and run her own business.
The world needs more welders and plumbers and hvac workers, etc.
I want that more for children than a paper degree.
I am looking into the trades for my 15 YO son. He is smart, but school is just so stressful for him and I don't think an office job will be a good fit for him. Hoping he finds a trade that he really likes and is good at so he can earn a living. And if he wants to go to school at some point, it will be with a specific purpose. I'm so glad to hear that your daughter is doing well.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:31
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
I doubt you need an MBA to run a welding business.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:27
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.
With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?
I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.
No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement
College leads to a degree which is still the preference of the vast majority of employers for jobs that you would actually want you kid to do
Again with the turning up the nose at the trades.
My welder daughter is 26 and debt free save for her house. She has a brand new truck, a home of her own bought with no co signer two years ago.
She works to live and not the opposite.
Oh yes, she paid for her schooling herself which was reimbursed by her employer. She is now working on an MBA for the skills and knowledge to be able to own and run her own business.
The world needs more welders and plumbers and hvac workers, etc.
I want that more for children than a paper degree.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:23
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
You still need a college degree to get a good spouse.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:22
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:
Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?
Waves hand! 🖐️
Happily encouraged our kid not to bother with college!
Anonymous
11/30/2023 14:21
Subject: The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.
With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?
I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.
No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement
Go to ones you can afford on need based aid, talent based scholarships or parental support, no need to aim for dream schools.