Anonymous
12/04/2023 12:05
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
If the Girls beat the Boys blame the referee, LOL. Now that is funny! The Girls team was better and they won. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Anonymous
12/04/2023 11:48
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:Janney Girls Basketball is a good program with many positive results for the kids past and present. The kids practice and play hard and the volunteer coaches are great. I would rather a team respect my kids' team enough to play basketball rather than to play keep away or some other garbage because they are way better. There is a difference of opinion where you respect the team and keep playing or you pull up and run out the clock to appear like you are not embarrassing the other team. I have been on both sides and trust me I rather my kid's team be beaten by the better team in basketball than the other team play keep away and the crowd is laughing because that is more embarrassing in my opinion. It is a show of respect for the game and competition, but I acknowledge the other opinion. Each their own.
I am not sure anyone is expecting a team to convert to "monkey in the middle" to run out the clock. But if you are up 20-0, maybe have your players use their weak hand and develop an ability to dribble with their left hand (for most)? Maybe try a different defense (example: man-to-man) instead of pressing the other team and trapping at half court to the point where they can't even get a shot off? Maybe put your bench in earlier? Maybe practice a new play. There are dozens of ways to improve your players in lopsided games without humiliating another team 44-0. If those coaches DON'T know how to do these things to develop their players while being respectful , then they are in fact not "great coaches". I have coached ES, Middle School and High School for 22 years and it is absurd this is even a conversation at the ES level. We are talking 9-11 year olds. I agree with your "to each their own" comment as I think once you get to Middle and High School, this becomes harder to prevent (I guess also there are higher scoring games too). But for ES, I don't think its the same......
Anonymous
12/04/2023 11:38
Subject: Re:What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:I sent two boys thru Janney and the anti Janney stuff that comes up on DCUM is frankly completely bonkers and disconnected from reality and largely I think driven by unhinged & insecure private school parents (or a singular parent) who bailed from DCPS at some point because of their personal insecurities and has a strange ax to grind.
Having said that there both of my kids played on the boys basketball team at Janney and there has long been a weird intensity/ego problem among the coaches and parents of the girls team that has been really puzzling but assuming they are from parents of the girls team a couple of the posts in this thread are consistent with the entire strange win at any costs/ the end justifies the means mentality.
There was a scrimmage last year between the boys and girls team at Janney that was just bizarre - one of the girls coaches was the ref and the calls were so lopsided in favor of the girls that the game more resembled a WWE event than a basketball game and then the ref started throwing the boys out of the game for saying anything about the calls - I'm not sure a single call went against the girls the entire game which is saying something because they were very physically aggressive. This all spilled over into the classrooms the following two weeks because the girls were running their mouths about winning and the boys were extremely angry about the way the game had been played to the point where the boys coach had to spend the good part of a practice telling the boys that they had to be the bigger party and accept there was nothing to do and move on and that the coaches wouldn't tolerate any reports about the boys further arguing about the game.
Needless to say the 2nd scheduled scrimmage was cancelled so this particular team has issues getting along within their own school.
Non-Janney parent here. This is interesting insight as it confirms something I suspected.....that perhaps this isn't an issue with Janney in general as I have never seen the disrespectful approaches at any of the boys games I have seen. For example, I went to both the girls and boys games last year when our school played Janney and I was fascinated at the different level of adult intensity with the girls vs the boys. The gym at Janney is a tinder box as well and unfortunately when it is that small of a space and that physical, it doesn't resemble basketball. It goes to the lowest common denominator. We always do Boys vs Girls scrimmages at our school and they work really hard against eachother and its usually a pretty close game but luckily never seen the craziness described above! That's wild. Good for the boys coaches for teaching life lessons. Life is not always fair. You need to be able to move on. This is what I love about sports....these types of lessons
Anonymous
12/04/2023 11:08
Subject: Re:What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
I sent two boys thru Janney and the anti Janney stuff that comes up on DCUM is frankly completely bonkers and disconnected from reality and largely I think driven by unhinged & insecure private school parents (or a singular parent) who bailed from DCPS at some point because of their personal insecurities and has a strange ax to grind.
Having said that there both of my kids played on the boys basketball team at Janney and there has long been a weird intensity/ego problem among the coaches and parents of the girls team that has been really puzzling but assuming they are from parents of the girls team a couple of the posts in this thread are consistent with the entire strange win at any costs/ the end justifies the means mentality.
There was a scrimmage last year between the boys and girls team at Janney that was just bizarre - one of the girls coaches was the ref and the calls were so lopsided in favor of the girls that the game more resembled a WWE event than a basketball game and then the ref started throwing the boys out of the game for saying anything about the calls - I'm not sure a single call went against the girls the entire game which is saying something because they were very physically aggressive. This all spilled over into the classrooms the following two weeks because the girls were running their mouths about winning and the boys were extremely angry about the way the game had been played to the point where the boys coach had to spend the good part of a practice telling the boys that they had to be the bigger party and accept there was nothing to do and move on and that the coaches wouldn't tolerate any reports about the boys further arguing about the game.
Needless to say the 2nd scheduled scrimmage was cancelled so this particular team has issues getting along within their own school.
Having said that there both of my kids played on the boys basketball team at Janney and there has long been a weird intensity/ego problem among the coaches and parents of the girls team that has been really puzzling but assuming they are from parents of the girls team a couple of the posts in this thread are consistent with the entire strange win at any costs/ the end justifies the means mentality.
There was a scrimmage last year between the boys and girls team at Janney that was just bizarre - one of the girls coaches was the ref and the calls were so lopsided in favor of the girls that the game more resembled a WWE event than a basketball game and then the ref started throwing the boys out of the game for saying anything about the calls - I'm not sure a single call went against the girls the entire game which is saying something because they were very physically aggressive. This all spilled over into the classrooms the following two weeks because the girls were running their mouths about winning and the boys were extremely angry about the way the game had been played to the point where the boys coach had to spend the good part of a practice telling the boys that they had to be the bigger party and accept there was nothing to do and move on and that the coaches wouldn't tolerate any reports about the boys further arguing about the game.
Needless to say the 2nd scheduled scrimmage was cancelled so this particular team has issues getting along within their own school.
Anonymous
12/04/2023 09:45
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Janney Girls Basketball is a good program with many positive results for the kids past and present. The kids practice and play hard and the volunteer coaches are great. I would rather a team respect my kids' team enough to play basketball rather than to play keep away or some other garbage because they are way better. There is a difference of opinion where you respect the team and keep playing or you pull up and run out the clock to appear like you are not embarrassing the other team. I have been on both sides and trust me I rather my kid's team be beaten by the better team in basketball than the other team play keep away and the crowd is laughing because that is more embarrassing in my opinion. It is a show of respect for the game and competition, but I acknowledge the other opinion. Each their own.
Anonymous
12/03/2023 11:06
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:For anyone trying to say there isn't a cultural issue at the school in question, I have seen over the years (had multiple kids through DCPS in NW):
1. Janney Full court pressing up 20 in the 4th quarter with all of their starters vs the bench of the other team. Every additional basket they scored, the parents cheered so loud it was like they won a gold medal with each shot. Like cheering on gladiators 🤣. Embarrassing
2. The PARENTS taunting and making noise by yelling and kicking the bleachers when a girl from the opposing team was taking a free throw in a close game
3. The PARENTS loudly booing an opposing coach who was trying to get a clarification on the court.
There's plenty more gems where those came from
I agree what a previous poster that it's definitely not the kids. But at some point the kids will start mimicking the behavior....maybe not at 10....but soon. Then you basically got the current generation of Karens raising the next generation!
"Karens raising Karens". HAHAHAHA. I need to steal that one!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anonymous
12/02/2023 22:55
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:It is a toxic culture at that school. Embarrassing for the adult coaches. I saw them play a game a couple weeks ago and one of the coaches was Nodding his head holding up his hands making the money signal with every score.....up 20. To me, in that situation it is "taunting". Grow up. I also just looked up NW Little League to see what the other poster was eluding to. My god.......
Yeah.....if you are up 20 in an elementary school game (and insurmountable lead at that age from my experience) and you are doing that.....it's taunting plain and simple. What is wrong with these people?
Anonymous
12/02/2023 15:59
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
It is a toxic culture at that school. Embarrassing for the adult coaches. I saw them play a game a couple weeks ago and one of the coaches was Nodding his head holding up his hands making the money signal with every score.....up 20. To me, in that situation it is "taunting". Grow up. I also just looked up NW Little League to see what the other poster was eluding to. My god.......
Anonymous
12/02/2023 13:09
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:So many haters.
And this here just illustrates the points being made on this thread.
Anonymous
12/02/2023 13:00
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:Are there actually good players at Janney now? Why don’t they play for Team Takeover or one of the good DC AAU teams? Most of those kids probably won’t play basketball in high school.
That’s what’s so appalling. Most of these parents don’t know enough about basketball to even know what good AAU teams are, and they don’t have kids or relatives who played in college so they don’t understand typical player development (hint: the kids who will be 6’6”+ aren’t usually the fastest most aggressive kids in ES). Basically, they don’t know enough to be embarrassed at how absurd their behavior is.
The thing that I find really interesting about DMV basketball culture among kids and parents who WILL end up playing on TV and getting NIL money is that they tend to be incredibly gracious and supportive. I’ve seen parents in the stands from both teams at HS games between top teams take real joy when kids (ESPECIALLY kids who didn’t have reputation or look the part) played well. And, I’ve seen a lot less of idiot parents who don’t know the rules screaming at refs for making correct calls.
Anonymous
12/02/2023 12:40
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:Taunting is not an issue at Janney ES. We should not punish students for being good at the sport. Sport teams are made to compete. That’s why there are playoffs and championships. There are all types of leagues that students can join outside of DCPS basketball if this is an issue. Also, other schools can simply coach better. Janney also has a reputation as back-to-back champions. To be the best you have to beat the best.
To me as a longtime basketball parent and former ES coach, talking about the “best” elementary school seems absolutely laughable. Really anything much before freshman year of high school is meaningless. I know two kids who were “ranked” in the top 50 nationally in middle school (also ridiculous) who didn’t make their HS varsity team. Other kids who were among the slowest and most awkward in ES were dunking in games by 8th grade.
Bragging about your kid’s elementary school basketball success really makes you seems like
1) you know nothing about basketball, and
2) you really don’t have much meaningful to be proud of.
Anonymous
12/02/2023 08:16
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Well, Janney is the feeder school for Northwest Little League. So there’s that.
Anonymous
12/02/2023 07:12
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:Are there actually good players at Janney now? Why don’t they play for Team Takeover or one of the good DC AAU teams? Most of those kids probably won’t play basketball in high school.
They are only 10 and 11 and no one is getting an NIL contract that plays on that team. That isn't the point. It has nothing to do with the kids.
Anonymous
12/02/2023 07:10
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Taunting is not an issue at Janney ES. We should not punish students for being good at the sport. Sport teams are made to compete. That’s why there are playoffs and championships. There are all types of leagues that students can join outside of DCPS basketball if this is an issue. Also, other schools can simply coach better. Janney also has a reputation as back-to-back champions. To be the best you have to beat the best.
This response perfectly illustrates the issues with Janney parents.
You aren't kidding. The parents are oblivious to how embarrassing this mentality is. It's 10 and 11 year-olds
Anonymous
12/01/2023 18:51
Subject: What's up with youth sports in DC? Janney ES?
Are there actually good players at Janney now? Why don’t they play for Team Takeover or one of the good DC AAU teams? Most of those kids probably won’t play basketball in high school.