Anonymous
Post 11/26/2023 11:23     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.


I see you don’t have a nuanced enough view to grasp that of course love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled. That was rather THE POINT.

DP. You are completely brainwashed by narcissism if that's how you read their relationship.

And when I think of "love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled" I think of Katniss and Peeta, who are toxic, damaged, and sincere about doing their best for each other.

It's scary that you projected this onto Snow, a rich guy from a privileged family who manipulates and controls people while experiencing biological/chemical attraction.


If you don’t get the point that the way he was raised made him poisonous, then you’re missing everything. Some of you haven’t read the book, and it shows.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2023 02:55     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
I watched it, and I'm glad I read this thread. Very shallow writing (and weird plot fails - like Lucy wasting bottles of water in a deadly arena when she needs to drink from the good bottles and poison one bottle) and it came off like she had Stockholm Syndrome for Snow and Snow wanted to possess her because she was unusual.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 23:30     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
If there's literally anyone in this thread who defends Snow/Lucy as a romance, and then posts self-righteously in the twin flame cult thread, know that you are part of our society's problem.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 23:29     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought Joe Alwyn was quite good as young Snow. I want to like Rachel Zegler, such a lovely voice, but somehow her film presence never leaves much of an impression on me.


Joe Alwyn didn't play young Snow, it was Tom Blyth.


You’re right! Looks so similar, I wrongly assumed.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 23:17     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.


I see you don’t have a nuanced enough view to grasp that of course love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled. That was rather THE POINT.

DP. You are completely brainwashed by narcissism if that's how you read their relationship.

And when I think of "love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled" I think of Katniss and Peeta, who are toxic, damaged, and sincere about doing their best for each other.

It's scary that you projected this onto Snow, a rich guy from a privileged family who manipulates and controls people while experiencing biological/chemical attraction.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 23:13     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.


I see you don’t have a nuanced enough view to grasp that of course love that grows from the ravages of war, hatred, starvation and toxicity would be complex and fragile and mangled. That was rather THE POINT.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 23:08     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:I thought Joe Alwyn was quite good as young Snow. I want to like Rachel Zegler, such a lovely voice, but somehow her film presence never leaves much of an impression on me.


Joe Alwyn didn't play young Snow, it was Tom Blyth.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 23:03     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:This book is a case study in hurt people hurting people. That said, my teen DD read it and enjoyed it and wanted me to read it too. It's a good look behind the curtain of what made Snow into the man he was.

would you recommend I read the book or watch the movie? which is better?
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 18:42     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
This book is a case study in hurt people hurting people. That said, my teen DD read it and enjoyed it and wanted me to read it too. It's a good look behind the curtain of what made Snow into the man he was.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 18:22     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
I thought Joe Alwyn was quite good as young Snow. I want to like Rachel Zegler, such a lovely voice, but somehow her film presence never leaves much of an impression on me.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 18:21     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Loved the movie. It was a fitting piece of the series.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 18:21     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.



I was thankful my tween understood that he was a person that couldn't be trusted and that she was right to flee.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 18:19     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Much better than I expected. I didn't think the ending was unclear, though it sounds like it didn't capture the nuances of the book.


I agree. I hadn't read the book, and all of the nuances conveyed came across to me.

Snow had many, many opportunities to develop a better character and choose loyalty or kindness. He never did. That was kind of the main point of the movie. Did the movie show his perspective with empathy? Yes. They never indicated that he had any though.


He did go into the ring to get his friend out so he did have some feeling for him? Of course he betrayed him in the end.




Yes, he care for him but his friend was reckless and continued putting him at risk as well, despite his having barely survived saving him once. I do think he believed his family's wealth and connections would always save him from execution though.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 15:54     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Much better than I expected. I didn't think the ending was unclear, though it sounds like it didn't capture the nuances of the book.


I agree. I hadn't read the book, and all of the nuances conveyed came across to me.

Snow had many, many opportunities to develop a better character and choose loyalty or kindness. He never did. That was kind of the main point of the movie. Did the movie show his perspective with empathy? Yes. They never indicated that he had any though.


He did go into the ring to get his friend out so he did have some feeling for him? Of course he betrayed him in the end.
Anonymous
Post 11/25/2023 14:49     Subject: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes
It gives me 5% more faith in humanity's future, that the thread here (mostly) sees through the fake romance.

I watched the movie with my DD and had to explain to her afterwards that this was everything Love is not.