Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:52
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
They have murdered someone but they can't be arrested?
Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:51
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
This. This is the mindset of the electorate that has produced this Council that has produced this environment.
All by design.
I guess the 14 year old has permanent trauma to him by being dead.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:45
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.
Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.
Love these people who don't even know the murderer's name, but they just KNOW that it was "generational trauma" that forced him to kill a 14 year old.
Well, the fact that his mother was there, in what appears to be the role of an accomplice, it's a pretty good bet.
If by generational trauma you mean a$$holes raising a$$holes, I can get behind that.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:39
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.
Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.
Love these people who don't even know the murderer's name, but they just KNOW that it was "generational trauma" that forced him to kill a 14 year old.
Well, the fact that his mother was there, in what appears to be the role of an accomplice, it's a pretty good bet.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 14:36
Subject: 17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is one of those stories which simply has no empathetic response except that this young man, the murderer, never had a chance. And that is sad.
Murderer and victim. And something must also be wrong with the mom. I know you think that this is just a case of bad people, but it's all tied up in the dehumanizing of certain segments of our population over generations.
You really think this is the case???
They are bad people and need to be punished. Don’t you dare try and make them the victims.
NP. I think it is most likely the case. And that doesn't mean they aren't "bad people and need to be punished," pp is saying it isn't "JUST a case of bad people." People who victimize can also be victims.
Anonymous
11/18/2023 13:52
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
+1. If this was the way that kids mom behaves, what chance did that child have. The boy who was killed during the attempted carjacking idolized his father, who killed a cop. Stop demonizing these children its absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, they’re murderers, so…
Anonymous
11/18/2023 13:50
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
This. This is the mindset of the electorate that has produced this Council that has produced this environment.
All by design.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 14:19
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Good to see that not everyone here thinks "restorative justice" is everything it is cracked up to be.
True, not everyone "here" thinks that. But this is also a hub for some of the nastiest people on the internet, so take that for what its worth.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:57
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Good to see that not everyone here thinks "restorative justice" is everything it is cracked up to be.
Too late though. We threw away 30 years of progress on public safety in this city. Check back in 2053.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:54
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Good to see that not everyone here thinks "restorative justice" is everything it is cracked up to be.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:07
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
This is why Janeese Lewis George is going to lose reelection next year. People are sick and tired of their elected officials making endless excuses for criminals.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:07
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.
Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.
Love these people who don't even know the murderer's name, but they just KNOW that it was "generational trauma" that forced him to kill a 14 year old.
She knows she’s safely tucked away from this mayhem and can pat herself on the back for keeping this killer free to kill more Black children.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:05
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.
Right. Because “generational trauma caused this” ISN’T a belief.
Love these people who don't even know the murderer's name, but they just KNOW that it was "generational trauma" that forced him to kill a 14 year old.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:04
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
We are being too light on 17yo killers.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 13:04
Subject: Re:17yo arrested by MPD for killing 14yo. Mother watched
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis-George says we can't arrest 17 year olds for murder because jail will "traumatize" them.
Oh ffs. Jail WILL traumatize them. Incarceration is a traumatic experience. You can have the points you have without implying that it's untrue that jail will be traumatic. It absolutely will be.
Also, generations of disenfranchisement do actually have a lot to do with how people got to the points they got to. It is not making excuses to point out that structural realities exist that make "personal responsibility" a very reductive response to a complicated problem.
These murderers exalt in the power they have to prey over their victims (who are more often than not suffering from disenfranchisement. To try to turn the killer into someone you boo hoo over is why we have so many killers in this city.
Jail should be less traumatic, but also a place we do not hesitate to lock up killers for a long time.
It is not "turning the killer into someone you boo hoo over" to point out that these people are suffering the same disenfranchisement in the same community. It is a complicated problem that your particular kind of rhetoric does nothing to solve. This is not an emotional argument, but you're making it an emotional argument with language like "exalt in the power" and "boo hoo." We have "so many killers in this city" because of a lot of extreme poverty and generational trauma, not because we're being too light on sending 17yo to adult prisons.
You can take your “generational trauma” and shove it up your a$$. It’s complete apologist bs and I’m personally sick of it.
Wow, you're pretty offended by things that do not accord with your beliefs. That must be hard for you.
NP here. I’m pretty offense by your attitude too. The soft on crime bs is killing the people you are pretending to protect from your living room couch. You have blood on your hands.