Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 20:59     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

I get it, we’re on the 2nd team. Our player is small yet skilled and quick but that’s where they are. We know it’s a path to mediocrity if we stay here so we’re looking for a better fit for us. We’ve been to a number of tournaments and you can see better quality coaching and the impact on the players. We are also looking for another team for these reasons. But our kid likes the team, so it’s hard to want to leave.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 14:33     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:OP - How much did you research PPA before you joined? It sounds like your expectations might not have been realistic, given PPA’s reputation and philosophy.

We are also with PPA and it’s a perfect fit for us. Our DD is thriving and learning with them, but we’re also not interested in pushing her too much at her age. PPA travel is only about a step up from developmental, and that works for some families. It’s not for super high-achieving soccer players, at least on the girls’ side. I can’t speak to boys.

It sounds like you might be happier at Bethesda or one of the other more aggressive/ambitious clubs.


Same for us. Son is on the second team and very happy there. Most parents are content with the level of play, we have a really good coach, but most are kids that don’t really want to be on the first team. Great fit for us.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 13:28     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:OP - How much did you research PPA before you joined? It sounds like your expectations might not have been realistic, given PPA’s reputation and philosophy.

We are also with PPA and it’s a perfect fit for us. Our DD is thriving and learning with them, but we’re also not interested in pushing her too much at her age. PPA travel is only about a step up from developmental, and that works for some families. It’s not for super high-achieving soccer players, at least on the girls’ side. I can’t speak to boys.

It sounds like you might be happier at Bethesda or one of the other more aggressive/ambitious clubs.


The answer: not much. Should have done more. The team we are on is lovely and perfect for 90% of the girls. Just not a good fit for us.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 13:09     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

OP - How much did you research PPA before you joined? It sounds like your expectations might not have been realistic, given PPA’s reputation and philosophy.

We are also with PPA and it’s a perfect fit for us. Our DD is thriving and learning with them, but we’re also not interested in pushing her too much at her age. PPA travel is only about a step up from developmental, and that works for some families. It’s not for super high-achieving soccer players, at least on the girls’ side. I can’t speak to boys.

It sounds like you might be happier at Bethesda or one of the other more aggressive/ambitious clubs.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 12:47     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

OP here. One thing I have learned to answer PP’s question: they do ask where you’re coming from, and usually it’s because they are looking for fit and they understand each other’s pros and cons.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 12:39     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:OP I could have written this post last year, except that it was most kids’ first year of travel soccer. But what you say about being on the cusp of A/B and the issues with the B team… all the same. Because it was our first year I didn’t really understand the whole “go to other clubs’ practices before tryouts” thing, and only ended up being able to go to one that would not have been a better fit for our kid. We ended up staying put and things have been better this year. Some kids got moved up from the C team who are actually pretty good, and overall the team’s strengths and weaknesses are a better balance than last year. The kids are also starting to understand how to play like a team and not like a bunch of rec all stars used to doing everything on their own. They still lose plenty of games but they’ve had some really nice wins too. That being said, we will probably ask to attend practice at a few other clubs in the spring. There was some talk about our kid possibly moving up to A at some point, but I think it’s just as likely they bring in kids from outside to fill those spots. If our kid does well at practices or tryouts with another club, maybe they have a better chance at top team there.

Question for those with more experience, that might also help OP: do the clubs always ask what club/team your kid currently plays on when you ask to attend a practice? What if it’s a team that lost to their team? Do they automatically think your kid wouldn’t be a good fit in that case? For a couple of the clubs we would look at, my kid’s team played their top team and lost (not surprising since it was their A vs. our B). Will they always let a kid practice once with the top team or would they say nope your kid can only practice with B or lower?


Just be honest and let them know your kids background. Our kid tried out at teams that beat them but it was not a big deal. They are looking at the kid, not the team so make sure you share your kids strengths and potential. Go to more than one practice and they will let you assuming ur right about where ur kid will fit in. Ur kid has to be able to fit in or exceed the abilities of the team immediately. Part of being a top team player is confidence. That is immediately noticeable. If ur not sure that ur kid can do that at a practice with a top team, reconsider whether u want to them in that position.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 10:07     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

OP I could have written this post last year, except that it was most kids’ first year of travel soccer. But what you say about being on the cusp of A/B and the issues with the B team… all the same. Because it was our first year I didn’t really understand the whole “go to other clubs’ practices before tryouts” thing, and only ended up being able to go to one that would not have been a better fit for our kid. We ended up staying put and things have been better this year. Some kids got moved up from the C team who are actually pretty good, and overall the team’s strengths and weaknesses are a better balance than last year. The kids are also starting to understand how to play like a team and not like a bunch of rec all stars used to doing everything on their own. They still lose plenty of games but they’ve had some really nice wins too. That being said, we will probably ask to attend practice at a few other clubs in the spring. There was some talk about our kid possibly moving up to A at some point, but I think it’s just as likely they bring in kids from outside to fill those spots. If our kid does well at practices or tryouts with another club, maybe they have a better chance at top team there.

Question for those with more experience, that might also help OP: do the clubs always ask what club/team your kid currently plays on when you ask to attend a practice? What if it’s a team that lost to their team? Do they automatically think your kid wouldn’t be a good fit in that case? For a couple of the clubs we would look at, my kid’s team played their top team and lost (not surprising since it was their A vs. our B). Will they always let a kid practice once with the top team or would they say nope your kid can only practice with B or lower?
Anonymous
Post 11/17/2023 13:23     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a second club team. Work hard Get private training. ask how to improve. Put in hours. Third team, second team, starter on the first team. Varsity at a competitive HS. But he has put in an incredible amount of work.


That works, but the quicker way is to jump clubs. It's much easier to make a top team from outside than to get promoted from within.


Maybe. but most kids are placed where they should be. I find that kids that keep moving are always bench players.

OP - If your kid was better than the existing girls, then they would play her. They won't care how long you have been there.


Not quite. What coach would take a bench player from another club to bring them on as a bench player for their team? Coaches want impact players; kids that can start or at least make their team better. They wouldn't invite a player who doesn't have "a certain set of skills".

There are many coaches who won't play some players because of ego, politics, favoritism, and strategy (as silly as that sounds).


The big thing with small clubs is knowing that they need a certain amount of kids to field a second or third team. Especially where there is a huge gap between teams, no kid will accept a demotion which means that you can't really promote kids. The gamble is that frequent guesting will be enough to get the good kids on the B team to stick around
Anonymous
Post 11/17/2023 12:49     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a second club team. Work hard Get private training. ask how to improve. Put in hours. Third team, second team, starter on the first team. Varsity at a competitive HS. But he has put in an incredible amount of work.


That works, but the quicker way is to jump clubs. It's much easier to make a top team from outside than to get promoted from within.


Maybe. but most kids are placed where they should be. I find that kids that keep moving are always bench players.

OP - If your kid was better than the existing girls, then they would play her. They won't care how long you have been there.


Not quite. What coach would take a bench player from another club to bring them on as a bench player for their team? Coaches want impact players; kids that can start or at least make their team better. They wouldn't invite a player who doesn't have "a certain set of skills".

There are many coaches who won't play some players because of ego, politics, favoritism, and strategy (as silly as that sounds).
Anonymous
Post 11/17/2023 11:07     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a parent of a second club team. Work hard Get private training. ask how to improve. Put in hours. Third team, second team, starter on the first team. Varsity at a competitive HS. But he has put in an incredible amount of work.


That works, but the quicker way is to jump clubs. It's much easier to make a top team from outside than to get promoted from within.


Maybe. but most kids are placed where they should be. I find that kids that keep moving are always bench players.

OP - If your kid was better than the existing girls, then they would play her. They won't care how long you have been there.


My DD made one club jump before deciding she like another sport. The first was second team small club to first team large club. She started and played most of the game for both clubs. The smaller club didn't want to demote anyone because they knew those girls might leave and they couldn't afford to lose many and still field two teams. The year my DD left three other families bailed after receiving non committal answers about how open to movement the club would be at tryouts. Ironically, those girls leaving led to the second team folded
Anonymous
Post 11/17/2023 09:48     Subject: Frustrating club/travel experience on second team

Anonymous wrote:So the OP thinks their DD should be talking to the top team even though the are getting a lack of playing time on the second team? I gotta say I'm skeptical that the club has screwed up this bad when evaluating this player.


You've obviously never been to Loudoun (aka NVA).