Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 22:43     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA is tricky. You can’t tell from naviance if the OOS kids who were rejected took the courses that UVA expects them to take. The most important thing to UVA is the coursework and the grades. A 4.5 or 4.6 doesn’t tell you much.

At my kid’s oos school a ton of kids are applying this year even though they know that they don’t have the coursework or grades that are needed tp get in.


What is that coursework?


Classes all four years in the five core subjects. Prefer applicants who have taken AP or IB across the curriculum if it’s offered at their school (so AP science, AP math, AP English, AP world language, etc.). High grades in everything.


They also see certain classes as weak. My kid was told not to take AP environmental because he had no other AP science classes and it wasn’t considered rigorous. Also, if they have the option to take AP foreign language but instead take Spanish 5 or similar that is seen as not rigorous. Etc.


My DS took Ap Enviro senior year and is now at UVA.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:58     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA is tricky. You can’t tell from naviance if the OOS kids who were rejected took the courses that UVA expects them to take. The most important thing to UVA is the coursework and the grades. A 4.5 or 4.6 doesn’t tell you much.

At my kid’s oos school a ton of kids are applying this year even though they know that they don’t have the coursework or grades that are needed tp get in.


What is that coursework?


Classes all four years in the five core subjects. Prefer applicants who have taken AP or IB across the curriculum if it’s offered at their school (so AP science, AP math, AP English, AP world language, etc.). High grades in everything.


They also see certain classes as weak. My kid was told not to take AP environmental because he had no other AP science classes and it wasn’t considered rigorous. Also, if they have the option to take AP foreign language but instead take Spanish 5 or similar that is seen as not rigorous. Etc.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:45     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA is tricky. You can’t tell from naviance if the OOS kids who were rejected took the courses that UVA expects them to take. The most important thing to UVA is the coursework and the grades. A 4.5 or 4.6 doesn’t tell you much.

At my kid’s oos school a ton of kids are applying this year even though they know that they don’t have the coursework or grades that are needed tp get in.


What is that coursework?


Classes all four years in the five core subjects. Prefer applicants who have taken AP or IB across the curriculum if it’s offered at their school (so AP science, AP math, AP English, AP world language, etc.). High grades in everything.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:27     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The out of state pool is where legacy matters.


NP
adding that OOS legacies are considered in the 2/3 in-state pool of admissions.


Does it matter of parent was there for PhD or MD program? Or is legacy only for undergrad?


UVA isn’t considering legacy the same way they used to (it changed this year) but when they did any degree counted for legacy preference.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:10     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The out of state pool is where legacy matters.


NP
adding that OOS legacies are considered in the 2/3 in-state pool of admissions.


Does it matter of parent was there for PhD or MD program? Or is legacy only for undergrad?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 15:41     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:UVA is tricky. You can’t tell from naviance if the OOS kids who were rejected took the courses that UVA expects them to take. The most important thing to UVA is the coursework and the grades. A 4.5 or 4.6 doesn’t tell you much.

At my kid’s oos school a ton of kids are applying this year even though they know that they don’t have the coursework or grades that are needed tp get in.


What is that coursework?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 15:07     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Last year Naviance had it as a target for my oos kid. This year they changed it to a reach. On scattergram only 2 kids from DC school were ever accepted…in 2012 and with lower scores than my DC. All others since then have been rejected with high scores (4 wait listed - no outcome known).

It’s a lottery ticket school.

Almost, but not quite. Certainly on its way. Just as TJ had hoped



Have you seen the recent SCHEV statistics? My DS (UVA grad) could never get in today. Last year's incoming class had a GPA of 4.51 at the 75th percentile; a 4.38 at the median; and a 4.2 for bottom 25th percentile of the class. ACT is 34 at the 75th percentile; 33 at the median and 32 at the bottom 25th percentile. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:25     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:Last year Naviance had it as a target for my oos kid. This year they changed it to a reach. On scattergram only 2 kids from DC school were ever accepted…in 2012 and with lower scores than my DC. All others since then have been rejected with high scores (4 wait listed - no outcome known).

It’s a lottery ticket school.

Almost, but not quite. Certainly on its way. Just as TJ had hoped
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:16     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
I thought ED and legacy would help my child this year but they aren’t giving much preference to legacy anymore. ED also doesn’t give much if any boost.

Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:07     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:Last year Naviance had it as a target for my oos kid. This year they changed it to a reach. On scattergram only 2 kids from DC school were ever accepted…in 2012 and with lower scores than my DC. All others since then have been rejected with high scores (4 wait listed - no outcome known).




It’s a lottery ticket school.


This
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:00     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Last year Naviance had it as a target for my oos kid. This year they changed it to a reach. On scattergram only 2 kids from DC school were ever accepted…in 2012 and with lower scores than my DC. All others since then have been rejected with high scores (4 wait listed - no outcome known).

It’s a lottery ticket school.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 13:31     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Is OOS ED less competitive than OOS EA? Are the applicants in ED weaker than EA?
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 13:40     Subject: UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA is tricky. You can’t tell from naviance if the OOS kids who were rejected took the courses that UVA expects them to take. The most important thing to UVA is the coursework and the grades. A 4.5 or 4.6 doesn’t tell you much.

At my kid’s oos school a ton of kids are applying this year even though they know that they don’t have the coursework or grades that are needed tp get in.


What courses do they expect them to take? Most students applying know to take 4 years English, social sciences, math, science, and foreign language. Are there specific classes UVA is looking for?


They should ideally have at least one of those classes in each core subject at the AP or IB level. A lot of students don’t have all of that. They will skip AP English or skip AP foreign language etc.

These students still apply. It is my understanding that there are many students at my kid’s school who applied EA this year who didn’t take 4 years of each of those subjects and also didn’t have AP level in all subjects.


Interesting, those are OOS students you’re referring to? I would assume only the most competitive students would apply to UVA OOS. But, on second thought, I can see that; some students aren’t well informed. My kid has a friend applying to Amherst and Yale whose classes were mid-range in rigor. No hooks, regular white kid who is super nice, but doesn’t have access to good advice.


Yes OOS, no hooks. And they don’t have the classes or grades. But I assume they like the school so want to give it a shot.
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 13:15     Subject: Re:UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From the other thread- are they penalizing kids that left the race box blank?

They claim race isn’t considered when reviewing the applications.

They should not have it on common app at all, but instead only ask students at time of enrollment.


Any one that wrote a phony diversity essay checked the box to back it up. People had zero qualms about lying about diversity prior. I don’t think this changes that. I think numbers showed up to 60% lied about being multi-racial.


No, the article was clear that readers don't get to see anything about the common app race box so the first cull at least (reader level) is blind
Anonymous
Post 11/18/2023 12:10     Subject: Re:UVA - out of state admissions
Anonymous wrote:From the other thread- are they penalizing kids that left the race box blank?

They claim race isn’t considered when reviewing the applications.

They should not have it on common app at all, but instead only ask students at time of enrollment.


Any one that wrote a phony diversity essay checked the box to back it up. People had zero qualms about lying about diversity prior. I don’t think this changes that. I think numbers showed up to 60% lied about being multi-racial.