Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 12:13     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
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Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.

What?! People absolutely pray to win. Coaches and players both.


No they don't. They don't think god intervenes in their play.


+1. OP has some idea in their head that those college kids are praying that God will smite the other team. That’s not how it works. They’re praying to do their best.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:44     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
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Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.

What?! People absolutely pray to win. Coaches and players both.


No they don't. They don't think god intervenes in their play.


+1 it is a sign of humility, like acknowledging that I didn't get here with out a lot of help and natural gifts, plus the stamina to do the hard work. So thank you for that! However the game comes out, win or lose, you can be thankful.


It's also pretty common in the NFL for some Christian members of the winning and losing team to pray together on the field after the game, which suggests something slightly more spiritual than "Jesus, please help me win" is going on.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:29     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
Anonymous wrote:I always wonder what those people think about god. On the one hand, they believe in a god who cares so much about individuals that we will intervene in a game. On the other hand, he doesn't care enough to prevent babies from getting cancer. It seems hard to square the two without god coming off as evil


But no one is asking you to square it; they are asking you to live and let live. You get to believe what you believe and they get to do the same. Yay democracy!

If you are truly interested, I am sure you could ask a friend who is more religious than you. If you hadn’t noticed, the internet isn’t a particularly good place to have such discussions. Trolls are a downside of democracy.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:28     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
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Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.

What?! People absolutely pray to win. Coaches and players both.


No they don't. They don't think god intervenes in their play.


+1 it is a sign of humility, like acknowledging that I didn't get here with out a lot of help and natural gifts, plus the stamina to do the hard work. So thank you for that! However the game comes out, win or lose, you can be thankful.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:28     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
Everyone needs to mind her own business.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:26     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
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Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.

What?! People absolutely pray to win. Coaches and players both.


No they don't. They don't think god intervenes in their play.

Neither you nor I have any idea what a particular coach or athlete is thinking when they say “Dear Lord Jesus please help us win today.” or similar words.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:26     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
It's personal: thank you for giving me the focus, strength, the natural talent, opportunity and guidance in my life, yada, yada, to do my best today; not thank for throwing the game my team's way.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:23     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
I always wonder what those people think about god. On the one hand, they believe in a god who cares so much about individuals that we will intervene in a game. On the other hand, he doesn't care enough to prevent babies from getting cancer. It seems hard to square the two without god coming off as evil
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:21     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
Anonymous wrote:I appreciate it. It is a signal to me that this person recognizes that he has God-given talent that s/he (to be at the college or professional level), worked at to hone and elevate to the highest level.

If the opposing team (member) comes from a similar perspective or background, they will recognize this for what it is. If not, they shouldn’t care one way or another, as it does not impact them. They, of course, are free to feel about it however, they would like.






Agree.

And the atheist who started this thread is being more than a bit disingenuous when saying the non-atheist needs to persuade on the merits and stop attacking reason. No one was attacking reason until you started the thread.

Having a hard time with live and let live, I see.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:21     Subject: Re:Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
I am not at all religious, but I hear those comments in a different way. Usually they are not saying Jesus had a hand in the win but they are thanking Jesus or God or some higher power for putting them in the situation they are in to be playing the game, or contribute to the win, or whatever. I only watch college football so maybe that has a different tone than NFL.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:18     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.

What?! People absolutely pray to win. Coaches and players both.


No they don't. They don't think god intervenes in their play.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:17     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
I appreciate it. It is a signal to me that this person recognizes that he has God-given talent that s/he (to be at the college or professional level), worked at to hone and elevate to the highest level.

If the opposing team (member) comes from a similar perspective or background, they will recognize this for what it is. If not, they shouldn’t care one way or another, as it does not impact them. They, of course, are free to feel about it however, they would like.




Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:17     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.

What?! People absolutely pray to win. Coaches and players both.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:10     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is just like how people thank their mom after an accomplishment or achievement. It is about who they felt supported them and gave them the motivation or strength or ability to do what they did.


Except moms actually do those things.


Prayer is a form of meditation and studies show those that meditate do better in sports and work and home.

So prayer did actually do those things.


But what about the team that lost?


Prayer/Meditation does not make you win or lose it makes you better than you would be without it.

The team that lost was not their best that day or just not as good for whatever reason.

Nobody prays to win, they pray to do their personal best that day.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2023 11:09     Subject: Pro Athletes who think Jesus helped with the game
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Anonymous wrote:He is all powerful, yet can't keep children from getting horrifically painful diseases that slowly kill them.

Yet he's helping you win at football.

Sure sure.


So you ignored everything everybody has said so far, to post another ugly attack on religion.

Being a hateful obsessive is not a great look for atheists.


I'm secure in my beliefs. Are you? Doesn't sound like it.


I'm agnostic so I don't really care to defend any religion, but your statement shows you don't understand religion. You are secure in your belief, great. But you are also ignorant about other people's beliefs.