Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 13:15     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry about all of these crappy agents you're dealing with, OP. But please find a new agent and make sure all future offers you submit have an expiration date of no more than 24 hours. That way, at least you wouldn't be in a position where your offer is still technically lingering out there and you had to say that you wanted to pull it. Also makes it harder for the offer to be used to get other offers.


Expirations are silly


It's silly to not have expirations. Only an idiot will make an open ended offer.


They’re silly because you obviously want the house or you wouldn’t make an offer. And the seller knows this. I ignored the expiration dates at my agent’s recommendation— they still wanted it later.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 13:12     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:I was the poster who asked about how long it normally takes for a seller to sign a verbally agreed upon offer. I assumed they were letting other buyers view the property over the weekend and would try and get other offers even though they countered my offer which I accepted immediately but they never sent the signed counteroffer contract. After I didn’t hear anything from anyone I called my realtor to tell them to rescind the offer and that I wanted to move on. They then told me the sellers did sign the agreed upon counter offer Saturday night and they just didn’t see it until Sunday afternoon. After agreeing to send it to me to sign they told me they couldn’t open the docusign and they would need me to wait. I’ve now waited all of Sunday and so far all day today. They also haven’t updated me about what is or isn’t going on. If you really had an issue how hard is it to get the selling agent to just send the docusign again? I suspect no offer was actually signed and they have tried to prevent me from walking away hoping my offer wins and the sellers will eventually sign it. Has anyone else experienced something like this?


If you signed the counter, then the offer is ratified. Why do you need to sign it again? And where is your agent? It's completely ridiculous that the agent hasnt updated you. Is it an inexperienced agent, Redfin?



Redfin agents do far more deals than other agents, because they only do deals, not house hunting and open houses.

And they have technology that works and professional software developers on staff.

Handling paperwork is not Redfin's weakness.


That has not been my experience. I sent an offer on a Redfin listing and he never presented it to his sellers after over 48 Hrs despite me calling him many times, so my clients decided to pull it. He is an agent that has done a ton of transactions and he was a complete nightmare. He sent me emails that were meant for another person. Was VERY slow to respond to me, etc. That is one story out of many where the "experienced" Redfin agents were basically incompetent.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 11:55     Subject: Re:Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If anyone is curious I received a signed counter offer dated today at noon. My guess is they couldn’t get people to go above my full price offer. With that said I’m not signing anything and will be moving on from everyone.


What?! Why? You got what you wanted.

You are going to walk because of some fantasy you have about what you imagine happened and it pissed you off?


I don't understand either. What's wrong with taking two days to evaluate all the offers? It's not like your trying to buy a stroller off NextDoor. This is a major purchase/sale.

Because I accepted their counter immediately and was told I would have a contract to sign asap. I expected it the same day as verbally accepting it. They lied telling me it was coming 3 times and it didn't until days later. They didn't even sign the contract until yesterday. They dragged their feet and found out I'm not interested in games.


That is so weirdly spiteful, though. You wanted the house and you got your terms at the end of the day. But you’re going to have a hissy fit and walk because you don’t like that you THINK they wanted to play games? WTAF?

It's not 2022 anymore and their behavior is indicative of how the whole transaction would go.


That is completely absurd. Your petulance is dumb.

If I told you I'd get paperwork to you (so you could give me money and purchase my home) multiple times, over several days stringing you along and then didn't without any explanation what would you think? If I would have asked for repairs I'm sure they'd do the same, lie and string me along making the home buying process difficult. They could of asked if I'd be willing for them to hold off on making a decision, ask for best and highest or counter for more. Instead they accepted it and then went quiet trying to get more money. They already showed me they were liars.


+1 and now the house is tainted for OP. OP, you did the right thing moving along. I hope you fired your realtor, who lied to you about receiving the signed contract.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 10:26     Subject: Re:Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If anyone is curious I received a signed counter offer dated today at noon. My guess is they couldn’t get people to go above my full price offer. With that said I’m not signing anything and will be moving on from everyone.


What?! Why? You got what you wanted.

You are going to walk because of some fantasy you have about what you imagine happened and it pissed you off?


I don't understand either. What's wrong with taking two days to evaluate all the offers? It's not like your trying to buy a stroller off NextDoor. This is a major purchase/sale.

Because I accepted their counter immediately and was told I would have a contract to sign asap. I expected it the same day as verbally accepting it. They lied telling me it was coming 3 times and it didn't until days later. They didn't even sign the contract until yesterday. They dragged their feet and found out I'm not interested in games.


That is so weirdly spiteful, though. You wanted the house and you got your terms at the end of the day. But you’re going to have a hissy fit and walk because you don’t like that you THINK they wanted to play games? WTAF?

It's not 2022 anymore and their behavior is indicative of how the whole transaction would go.


That is completely absurd. Your petulance is dumb.

If I told you I'd get paperwork to you (so you could give me money and purchase my home) multiple times, over several days stringing you along and then didn't without any explanation what would you think? If I would have asked for repairs I'm sure they'd do the same, lie and string me along making the home buying process difficult. They could of asked if I'd be willing for them to hold off on making a decision, ask for best and highest or counter for more. Instead they accepted it and then went quiet trying to get more money. They already showed me they were liars.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 10:24     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry about all of these crappy agents you're dealing with, OP. But please find a new agent and make sure all future offers you submit have an expiration date of no more than 24 hours. That way, at least you wouldn't be in a position where your offer is still technically lingering out there and you had to say that you wanted to pull it. Also makes it harder for the offer to be used to get other offers.


Expirations are silly


It's silly to not have expirations. Only an idiot will make an open ended offer.


Not really. If you write in 24 hours and they come back to you after 25 hours, are you not going to accept? A buyer can also withdraw an offer.


Huh? If they come back in 25hrs that's a new offer, which is fine. Expirations exist to prevent people from jerking you around and blocking you from handling other offers.

"Offers" are never binding, only courtesy. A contract is binding.
"Expiring" an offer is used to make it clear whose fault it is when a deal falls through, to maintain reputation in the marketplace. It makes no sense to blanket accept that blame in advance, and allow the counterparty to do whatever they want.


Despite the name "offer" , except for contingencies, a real estate offer is a binding contract, pre-signer by the offerer.


Whether an offer is binding varies by jurisdiction and local practice. This affects whether an offer can be withdrawn and whether expiration matters.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-i-withdraw-offer-buy-house.html
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 10:20     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry about all of these crappy agents you're dealing with, OP. But please find a new agent and make sure all future offers you submit have an expiration date of no more than 24 hours. That way, at least you wouldn't be in a position where your offer is still technically lingering out there and you had to say that you wanted to pull it. Also makes it harder for the offer to be used to get other offers.


Expirations are silly


It's silly to not have expirations. Only an idiot will make an open ended offer.


Not really. If you write in 24 hours and they come back to you after 25 hours, are you not going to accept? A buyer can also withdraw an offer.


Huh? If they come back in 25hrs that's a new offer, which is fine. Expirations exist to prevent people from jerking you around and blocking you from handling other offers.

"Offers" are never binding, only courtesy. A contract is binding.
"Expiring" an offer is used to make it clear whose fault it is when a deal falls through, to maintain reputation in the marketplace. It makes no sense to blanket accept that blame in advance, and allow the counterparty to do whatever they want.


Despite the name "offer" , except for contingencies, a real estate offer is a binding contract, pre-signer by the offerer.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 10:18     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:I was the poster who asked about how long it normally takes for a seller to sign a verbally agreed upon offer. I assumed they were letting other buyers view the property over the weekend and would try and get other offers even though they countered my offer which I accepted immediately but they never sent the signed counteroffer contract. After I didn’t hear anything from anyone I called my realtor to tell them to rescind the offer and that I wanted to move on. They then told me the sellers did sign the agreed upon counter offer Saturday night and they just didn’t see it until Sunday afternoon. After agreeing to send it to me to sign they told me they couldn’t open the docusign and they would need me to wait. I’ve now waited all of Sunday and so far all day today. They also haven’t updated me about what is or isn’t going on. If you really had an issue how hard is it to get the selling agent to just send the docusign again? I suspect no offer was actually signed and they have tried to prevent me from walking away hoping my offer wins and the sellers will eventually sign it. Has anyone else experienced something like this?


If you signed the counter, then the offer is ratified. Why do you need to sign it again? And where is your agent? It's completely ridiculous that the agent hasnt updated you. Is it an inexperienced agent, Redfin?



Redfin agents do far more deals than other agents, because they only do deals, not house hunting and open houses.

And they have technology that works and professional software developers on staff.

Handling paperwork is not Redfin's weakness.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 10:14     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry about all of these crappy agents you're dealing with, OP. But please find a new agent and make sure all future offers you submit have an expiration date of no more than 24 hours. That way, at least you wouldn't be in a position where your offer is still technically lingering out there and you had to say that you wanted to pull it. Also makes it harder for the offer to be used to get other offers.


Expirations are silly


It's silly to not have expirations. Only an idiot will make an open ended offer.


Not really. If you write in 24 hours and they come back to you after 25 hours, are you not going to accept? A buyer can also withdraw an offer.


Huh? If they come back in 25hrs that's a new offer, which is fine. Expirations exist to prevent people from jerking you around and blocking you from handling other offers.

"Offers" are never binding, only courtesy. A contract is binding.
"Expiring" an offer is used to make it clear whose fault it is when a deal falls through, to maintain reputation in the marketplace. It makes no sense to blanket accept that blame in advance, and allow the counterparty to do whatever they want.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 10:10     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
Anonymous wrote:It could just be that your realtor is a bit technically clumsy and has genuine problems with docusign and no sense of urgency.

However, we were strung along once by a very nice realtor who was sucked into using us as a stalking horse to get the first offer people to pay more than they had wanted, with the threat of us behind them. We were not told of the situation, just repeatedly asked to increase our offer, until we just lost interest.


I don't understand. What if you hadn't lost interest? Would they have sold to you?
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 09:53     Subject: Re:Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If anyone is curious I received a signed counter offer dated today at noon. My guess is they couldn’t get people to go above my full price offer. With that said I’m not signing anything and will be moving on from everyone.


What?! Why? You got what you wanted.

You are going to walk because of some fantasy you have about what you imagine happened and it pissed you off?


I don't understand either. What's wrong with taking two days to evaluate all the offers? It's not like your trying to buy a stroller off NextDoor. This is a major purchase/sale.

Because I accepted their counter immediately and was told I would have a contract to sign asap. I expected it the same day as verbally accepting it. They lied telling me it was coming 3 times and it didn't until days later. They didn't even sign the contract until yesterday. They dragged their feet and found out I'm not interested in games.


That is so weirdly spiteful, though. You wanted the house and you got your terms at the end of the day. But you’re going to have a hissy fit and walk because you don’t like that you THINK they wanted to play games? WTAF?


DP here. OP *knows* they wanted to play games. Actually more than "play games" - OP's realtor lied to OP about having the document but not being able to open it and conspired with the sellers to string along OP.

I've bought four homes and sold two. While I agree that emotions should be kept at bay, the issue here is the willful deception. I would be very concerned about what else they're trying to deceive OP with. Major plumbing leaks that they painted over? Roof leaks they just threw new shingles over without fully fixing the roof? There's just too much risk here to do $1.35M in business with these people.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 09:53     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry about all of these crappy agents you're dealing with, OP. But please find a new agent and make sure all future offers you submit have an expiration date of no more than 24 hours. That way, at least you wouldn't be in a position where your offer is still technically lingering out there and you had to say that you wanted to pull it. Also makes it harder for the offer to be used to get other offers.


Expirations are silly


It's silly to not have expirations. Only an idiot will make an open ended offer.


Not really. If you write in 24 hours and they come back to you after 25 hours, are you not going to accept? A buyer can also withdraw an offer.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 09:05     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
24 hours expiration offer is pretty standard. You should put that first time when making an offer.

If some one can't take or reject the offer in 24 hours then you move on.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 09:04     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry about all of these crappy agents you're dealing with, OP. But please find a new agent and make sure all future offers you submit have an expiration date of no more than 24 hours. That way, at least you wouldn't be in a position where your offer is still technically lingering out there and you had to say that you wanted to pull it. Also makes it harder for the offer to be used to get other offers.


Expirations are silly


It's silly to not have expirations. Only an idiot will make an open ended offer.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 08:34     Subject: Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
OP is obviously a rookie at home buying and way too emotional to be in the market.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2023 08:31     Subject: Re:Has anyone heard of a buyer agent lying about getting their offer officially accepted?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If anyone is curious I received a signed counter offer dated today at noon. My guess is they couldn’t get people to go above my full price offer. With that said I’m not signing anything and will be moving on from everyone.


What?! Why? You got what you wanted.

You are going to walk because of some fantasy you have about what you imagine happened and it pissed you off?


I don't understand either. What's wrong with taking two days to evaluate all the offers? It's not like your trying to buy a stroller off NextDoor. This is a major purchase/sale.

Because I accepted their counter immediately and was told I would have a contract to sign asap. I expected it the same day as verbally accepting it. They lied telling me it was coming 3 times and it didn't until days later. They didn't even sign the contract until yesterday. They dragged their feet and found out I'm not interested in games.


That is so weirdly spiteful, though. You wanted the house and you got your terms at the end of the day. But you’re going to have a hissy fit and walk because you don’t like that you THINK they wanted to play games? WTAF?

It's not 2022 anymore and their behavior is indicative of how the whole transaction would go.


That is completely absurd. Your petulance is dumb.